Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Also: reminder that the reason Seven dresses that way is that the EMH designed her uniform. Their dynamic was so good. They made him just enough of a creep to be funny.

Think of 7 of 9, I think someone at Remedy idolized her/jeri ryan...

 

[UnKillFill]

I'm watching the DS9 Season 4 Episode "Bar Association". i.e. the "Rom makes a union in Quark's bar." episode...

I remember that he becomes a *little* bit better later on, but seriously Rom is, and has always been a pathetic little faggot from the beginning... Rom has also proven time and time again that he will betray his brother and be *just as bad* given even half a chance... So in this episode... he starts a union. Then he goes to Sisko to bitch to him about things, and Sisko supports him.

Am I supposed to forget that the only reason Quark even stayed on DS9 in the first place was because he was blackmailed into protecting his nephew, i.e. Rom's son?

Iirc, he comes through in a clutch later, but I hate Rom so much right now.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I'm watching the DS9 Season 4 Episode "Bar Association". i.e. the "Rom makes a union in Quark's bar." episode...

I remember that he becomes a *little* bit better later on, but seriously Rom is, and has always been a pathetic little faggot from the beginning... Rom has also proven time and time again that he will betray his brother and be *just as bad* given even half a chance... So in this episode... he starts a union. Then he goes to Sisko to bitch to him about things, and Sisko supports him.

Am I supposed to forget that the only reason Quark even stayed on DS9 in the first place was because he was blackmailed into protecting his nephew, i.e. Rom's son?

Iirc, he comes through in a clutch later, but I hate Rom so much right now.

I’m pretty sure Rom was supposed to be the Fredo of Ferenginar. It's basically spelled out in that episode where Quark becomes Nagus. They hit the retcon button on Rom because it’s hard to get seven seasons out of a character who exists solely to lose latinum.

Man. CBS must be aggressive.

Well here's the trailer for the series.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Pd_3oHSlJY
But hey if you're curious, apparently CBS was smart enough to just put the entire premiere onto YouTube.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7uxag6AgE-oIf you want to skip to it, the 4:30 mark is where Burnham walks onto the show.


I just realized you were replying to me though it's marked for "judge Holden" for some reason.

I suppose... though she's chewing the scenery pretty thick in her debut. (I am so tired of the "woman with chip on her shoulder" trope.) And I'm not some Donnie Wahlberg fan. You're 100% right about him. Of the entire family, he was the one I cared for the least in Blue Bloods as at least half of his cases would have been thrown out with some of the shit he pulled.

It’s awkward how they slam on the brakes at the start of the episode just so Donnie can do the Fanf4stic “you're black but you're dad's white?” convo.

I guarantee they were planning on having two white actresses play the sisters and then Sonequa gets cast.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It’s awkward how they slam on the brakes at the start of the episode just so Donnie can do the Fanf4stic “you're black but you're dad's white?” convo.

I love how Hollywood can't comprehend the idea of adoption or being biracial.

 

[Flexo]

meh Devil in the Dark (TOS) did it better.

The Horta are;

1. way fucking scarier
2. way more alien and harder to understand
and
it's the humans who are the bad guys in the episode even if they don't realize it.

Darmok is good, don't get me wrong, but it's just a rehash done with better special effects. Plus I like the fact that later on the Horta go on to join the Federation and become valued crew members for any mission that involved spelunking stuff. Some of them show up in the TOS novels as side characters.

They're both good episodes but Darmok is not a rehash.

And the Children of Tama also go on to join and become valued crew members as depicted in... Lower Decks.

Didn't SF Debris once theorize that the Ocampa were meant to be a race of sex slaves?

Yep. This review. (around the 8:00 mark)

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v863.php

 

[Flexo]

Don't know, but if she is, that's incredibly short-sighted on her part. I don't know what the average Ferengi life span is, but realistically she can't have that many more years left in her. Once she dies, she's basically left a retard and his bimbo wife running things just so she could hold power for a few years longer.

That sounds entirely realistic then.

One thing I don't see people say enough about Voyager's cast: Tim Russ plays the Vulcan really well. Sometime even better than old Nimoy. And I always enjoys episodes where he's paired off with Neelyx (I said paired off not spliced together with. Let's not bring up Tuvix again.). Even in Caretaker he's the first member of the crew who meets him and you know these two will have a love/hate relationship going.

He has that Vulcan arrogance but doesn't look annoyed all the time like a certain Vulcan cut of fuckable meat that appeared one show later. Even in episodes where he's really doing his best to be unlikable like when he's trying to shape up a couple of Maquis officers that aren't up to Starfleet standards. You still respect the guy. He sure is mind meld happy thought.

Yeah my favorite Vulcan performances are Nimoy, Tim Russ, and Mark Leonard.

I would have been much less upset having Burnham be related to Tuvok than Spock.

But what about the mass migration of Star Wars fans?

The Star Wars Trek is on track to still happen.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I would have been much less upset having Burnham be related to Tuvok than Spock.

Better yet: Burnham doesn't exist, and neither does STD.

 

[UnKillFill]

That sounds entirely realistic then.

Unfortunately it's also entirely within character for Moogie from the one episode I've seen of her this rewatch. Everyone, my friend included, says what a strong and brave feminist she is...

But like... Quark was taking care of her, sending her more than enough latinum to live off of, (even she admitted it was generous), and she gladly spent it... It's what she invested to make a profit in the first place. Much later, when he thought he was going to die, he mentions setting aside a pension for her... all this despite her showing blatant favoritism towards his retarded brother over him since childhood. The consequences of her trying to stay in Ferengi culture while breaking their (admittedly retarded) laws and making profit would have financially ruined Quark, (no penalty to Rom, naturally) and she didn't give a single solitary shit.

She didn't even pay lip service at feeling bad that her actions were going to ruin her son.

After all this, she is incredulous at the idea of splitting her profits with Quark... Even after being explicitly told that Quark is going to have to pay the fines for her actions... So what is her wrinkled old ass even making profit for if not to pass it on to her kids?

And all that was before she even slept her way into *real* power.
I have no problem believing that she would let her incompetent puppet of a son and his bimbo wife take control over Ferenginar when she dies, just out of spite if anything. What a reprehensible character.

 

[Judge Holden]

Better yet: Burnham doesn't exist, and neither does STD.

Honestly it doesnt take much thought to write out on a napkin a bunch of pointers to at least make her tolerable in hindsight

• 100% remove any connection to spock and sarek. Have her be adopted by fuckin background Vulcan no.13 from Enterprise or something.
• Also her parents just died. No fucking time travel muh red angel bullshit, and absolutely no shaniqua mommy issues subplot
• Give her a half functioning moral compass so she doesn't spontaneously latch on to wandering BPD Space Hitlers as her new girlboss mommy figures
• pull right the fuck back from focusing solely on her....also have the rest of the cast not be fucking insufferable retards too
• no whisper crying under any circumstances

IMO she could have worked as something of a "young janeway" figure, i.e. an overachieving and overly idealistic nerd who has yet to develop a crippling addiction to Coffee, Marlboros, and forcibly pegging nubile young asian boys necessary sense of pragmatism/cynicism and lacks any actual real world experience, something that would be balanced out by the more experienced Captains she serves under and the wider crew who would not just be background props.

As for the wider show, my napkin pointers are even more simple

• A maximum of one two parter for mirror universe shit every three seasons
• No universe ending apocalypse events that entire seasons revolve around, and this includes the Klingon war
• Interpersonal melodrama scaled back to an acceptable VOY level
• No fucking mushroom bullshit, just have it be a standard fucking ship doing standard fucking shit
• No pointlessly making shit from TOS edgier for the sake of edgetard

EDIT: almost fucking forgot one of the most important directives

• Do not write professional adult characters as emotionally/mentally retarded teenagers, and absolutely zero fucking quips or attempts at snark from anyone not cleared by the overseer to use them.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

We’ve had every flavor of Doctor. Fat ones, scouser ones, ones that look like they sell weed, David Tennant, Lady Tennant, double rainbow gay disco Doctor... but still no gingers baldies? The follicly challenged still can’t get representation. Unreal.

Ecclestone was pretty much a baldy (and the best nu-Dr by an absolute country mile).

I'm way behind on the thread, need to get caught up, but I just had to note that Michael Burnham is on yet ANOTHER franchise spin off show now

She has to have some crazy level of blackmail against the CBS upper management, right? She’s the worst, they have to know that. I’m not saying that STD has the best cast of all time, but she’s the weakest link there and her storyline sucks.

I'm watching the DS9 Season 4 Episode "Bar Association". i.e. the "Rom makes a union in Quark's bar." episode...

Best part is O’Brien, Bashir and Worf getting into a fistfight, then acting like embarrassed school kids getting old off by the principal.

They tried to give Rom an arc like they did Nog, but it didn’t go as well, I think he needed a bit more work to make the change seem believable.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

And the Children of Tama also go on to join and become valued crew members as depicted in... Lower Decks.

Just imagine if a Tamarian makes Captain or Admiral and needs an interpreter to translate what they say.

I would have been much less upset having Burnham be related to Tuvok than Spock.

Well Tuvok isn't as marketable as Spock is. Why do you think Star Trek V had Spock's brother as the main villain instead of Chekov's brother?

Also her parents just died. No fucking time travel muh red angel bullshit

I could at least suspend my disbelief that Mama Burnham was the Red Angel, but then Season 3 showed she was somehow flung all the way to the same year Discovery traveled to and was also taken in by Romulan monks.

No universe ending apocalypse events that entire seasons revolve around, and this includes the Klingon war

How about the aliens who don't mean to decimate entire planets wherever they go?

no whisper crying under any circumstances

"Admiral, we've just received the latest set of logs from the USS Discovery."

"Okay, turn up the volume for Captain Burnham's logs."

"Captain's Log, Stardate 865793.2..."

IMO she could have worked as something of a "young janeway" figure, i.e. an overachieving and overly idealistic nerd who has yet to develop a crippling addiction to Coffee, Marlboros, and forcibly pegging nubile young asian boys necessary sense of pragmatism/cynicism and lacks any actual real world experience, something that would be balanced out by the more experienced Captains she serves under and the wider crew who would not just be background props.

I'd say the issue is that she never really had a consistent captain to serve, much less as First Officer.

For those who never watched Discovery, Burnham started out as First Officer, got stripped of her rank after mutining, was brought back on as an unranked specalist, got reinstated as Chief Science Officer, was promoted back to First Officer only to get demoted and replaced by an Ensign two episodes later, and became Captain not long after that.

It's not like Riker or Sisko where she had to learn responsibility before getting promoted to Captain. She kept getting demoted and promoted because the plot needed her to.

She has to have some crazy level of blackmail against the CBS upper management, right?

To be fair, being the lead in a Star Trek show is still a big thing to have on a resume, quality of the show itself notwitstanding.

Best part is O’Brien, Bashir and Worf getting into a fistfight, then acting like embarrassed school kids getting old off by the principal.

Wasn't that the same episode where Worf moved into the Defiant after getting robbed?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Ecclestone was pretty much a baldy (and the best nu-Dr by an absolute country mile).

It’s brilliant how Eccleston clearly did Doctor Who for the money, dipped after one season, and only came back years later for cons and Big Finish gigs after his divorce.

She has to have some crazy level of blackmail against the CBS upper management, right?

Isn’t this the first time since T.J. Hooker that a Star Trek alum’s had to start slumming it in a cop show? I know Janeway had a guest spot on SVU during the Obama years, but that doesn’t count.

 

[Judge Holden]

I'd say the issue is that she never really had a consistent captain to serve, much less as First Officer.

For those who never watched Discovery, Burnham started out as First Officer, got stripped of her rank after mutining, was brought back on as an unranked specalist, got reinstated as Chief Science Officer, was promoted back to First Officer only to get demoted and replaced by an Ensign two episodes later, and became Captain not long after that.

It's not like Riker or Sisko where she had to learn responsibility before getting promoted to Captain. She kept getting demoted and promoted because the plot needed her to.

Honestly this could have been a bit of a unique angle and even dare I say it a deconstruction of the Abrams Trek reboot movies by having some kid fresh out the academy being put in charge of one of a ship and showing why this shit is a really fucking bad idea.

Basically at the end of the first season Captain Michelle Yeoh gets unexpectedly killed off without some retarded mutiny plot contrivance, meaning at the start of season 2 First Officer Shaniqua is now in charge by default and spends the next few episodes trying to keep shit together but very quickly finding she is out of her depth and committing a bunch of pretty serious fuckups until they limp back to Starfleet HQ, wherein she is given a dressing down and Captain Jason Isaacs takes over for a season or two until he is outed as a double agent for the Klingons or something that does not even remotely link to the fucking Mirror Universe, with a now older and wiser First Officer Shaniqua stepping up for real this time.

Effectively im just suggesting to have given her Riker's arc from early TNG that eventually culminated in Best of Both Worlds before it stagnated for the rest of the series

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

Isn’t this the first time since T.J. Hooker that a Star Trek alum’s had to start slumming it in a cop show? I know Janeway had a guest spot on SVU during the Obama years, but that doesn’t count.

She was also on NTSF:SD:SUV (and was pretty funny at times!).

 

[Rykel22]

Why do you think Star Trek V had Spock's brother as the main villain instead of Chekov's brother?

Vodka as the reason for the mind control probably would have been more logical.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Basically at the end of the first season Captain Michelle Yeoh gets unexpectedly killed off without some retarded mutiny plot contrivance, meaning at the start of season 2 First Officer Shaniqua is now in charge by default and spends the next few episodes trying to keep shit together but very quickly finding she is out of her depth and committing a bunch of pretty serious fuckups until they limp back to Starfleet HQ, wherein she is given a dressing down and Captain Jason Isaacs takes over for a season or two until he is outed as a double agent for the Klingons or something that does not even remotely link to the fucking Mirror Universe, with a now older and wiser First Officer Shaniqua stepping up for real this time.

Can we have a Lorca that's not tied to the space Hitler faction or poses as a double agent? How about a Lorca that increasingly becomes insane over time, because the Klingons have killed so many of his friends?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Can we have a Lorca that's not tied to the space Hitler faction or poses as a double agent?

In a version where Lorca wasn’t evil, they wouldn’t have cast Isaacs in the first place. Kurtzman's imagination begins and ends with “Hey, remember that evil British guy from The Patriot?"

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

In a version where Lorca wasn’t evil, they wouldn’t have cast Isaacs in the first place. Kurtzman's imagination begins and ends with “Hey, remember that evil British guy from The Patriot?"

A clever man would still cast Isaacs and make him increasingly unhinged as the plot progresses. Kurtzman is not a clever man.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Kurtzman is not a clever man.

He’s the Kier Starmer of show business. Like, Chabon and Goldsman make schlock for a living, they know it. Kurtzman has fully ascended into this pure form of obsequious corporate being. There’s no person in there.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Honestly this could have been a bit of a unique angle and even dare I say it a deconstruction of the Abrams Trek reboot movies by having some kid fresh out the academy being put in charge of one of a ship and showing why this shit is a really fucking bad idea.

Basically at the end of the first season Captain Michelle Yeoh gets unexpectedly killed off without some retarded mutiny plot contrivance, meaning at the start of season 2 First Officer Shaniqua is now in charge by default and spends the next few episodes trying to keep shit together but very quickly finding she is out of her depth and committing a bunch of pretty serious fuckups until they limp back to Starfleet HQ, wherein she is given a dressing down and Captain Jason Isaacs takes over for a season or two until he is outed as a double agent for the Klingons or something that does not even remotely link to the fucking Mirror Universe, with a now older and wiser First Officer Shaniqua stepping up for real this time.

Effectively im just suggesting to have given her Riker's arc from early TNG that eventually culminated in Best of Both Worlds before it stagnated for the rest of the series

And once again, DS9 did that better with Red Squad.