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Tasty Tatty said:
I trust Tarantino more than most current writers or directors, though. For starters, he is a fan.
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Apparently Tarantino wanted to go back to the gangster planet. But at the rate modern Star Trek is orbiting its own farts, maybe it’s for the best that one stays buried.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
It really feels like the whole point of those Trek movies was a proof of concept for everyone’s next, better movies.
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I have a hard time describing The Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker as "better" than these. I will, however, concede that 2009 was absolutely Abrams auditioning for Star Wars.
 
So I'm going a rewatch of DS9 and got to S1E11 (The Nagus), the first time the Grand Nagus shows up.

Whatever happens to his son? He shows up this one episode and never again? Apparently I had blanked this episode in my mind and always thought that he was using Quark and Rom as surrogate sons, but apparently the son is just written out. Sure, the son is a bit of an idiot, but still.
 
I won't link, but watching some fairly successful YouTuber talking about the end of the Kelvin timeline and that they should reboot with a new Kirk, Spock, Uhura ect. *Shaking my head.*

Firstly, they already have that on TV at the moment and, NO.

If they can't do anything new or original. Would a reboot TNG be preferable to the OT again?

James Macavoy as Picard. Because they're lazy.

Some brown twink as Worf, like in Star Trek Academy.

Troy will be some fat bitch.

Data will be played by an androgenous female like in Terminator Dark Fate. Fuck it, just get that chick. Lean into non-binary. Computer code pun.

Georgie will have a Wakandan type accent.

Beverly is a redhead and so of course will be black. Wesley to follow and be female. Potentially mixed black / asian.

Riker's characterisation will lean heavily on being pansexual. Come across super gay.

During the film, Picard conducts a diplomatic meeting that opens with a Space Acknowledgement of the Progenitors. Before turning into an over the top action comedic action scene.
 
Screamer_2 said:
I won't link, but watching some fairly successful YouTuber talking about the end of the Kelvin timeline and that they should reboot with a new Kirk, Spock, Uhura ect. *Shaking my head.*

Firstly, they already have that on TV at the moment and, NO.
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I agree, but I really have no idea what can be done to fix the damage. You would have to declare huge swaths of things non-canon. And they'll never do that.

The best thing to do is what the Orville did. A fresh show with a similar concept. But maybe not because that show got canceled.
 
Screamer_2 said:
I won't link, but watching some fairly successful YouTuber talking about the end of the Kelvin timeline and that they should reboot with a new Kirk, Spock, Uhura ect. *Shaking my head.*

Firstly, they already have that on TV at the moment and, NO.

If they can't do anything new or original. Would a reboot TNG be preferable to the OT again?

James Macavoy as Picard. Because they're lazy.

Some brown twink as Worf, like in Star Trek Academy.

Troy will be some fat bitch.

Data will be played by an androgenous female like in Terminator Dark Fate. Fuck it, just get that chick. Lean into non-binary. Computer code pun.

Georgie will have a Wakandan type accent.

Beverly is a redhead and so of course will be black. Wesley to follow and be female. Potentially mixed black / asian.

Riker's characterisation will lean heavily on being pansexual. Come across super gay.

During the film, Picard conducts a diplomatic meeting that opens with a Space Acknowledgement of the Progenitors. Before turning into an over the top action comedic action scene.
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The cast ain't even the biggest issue of a potential reboot, but the fact that they will ignore the actual progress of the federation and humanity just like they did with Picard. There is no way they will continue the idea that poverty and racism aren't a thing any more but rather will include it because otherwise they don't know how to write stories that aren't about class inequality.
 
They just need to abandon all Kelvin shit.

To fix Star Trek is actually very simple
1. New show set after Picard as that is canonically the last entry in the series
2. An entire new cast with no legacy characters like TNG did
3. Acknowledge the past but not focus on it you can have a few cameos later on
4. Just write interesting stories, shows like Black Mirror do one off stories and they're on the most part good you don't need some big story arc as much as DS9 was great
 
Muppetstudios said:
Just write interesting stories, shows like Black Mirror do one off stories and they're on the most part good you don't need some big story arc as much as DS9 was great
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That's actually the hardest part. Current writers lack the talent to write not only good stories, but several different stories.
 
Muppetstudios said:
They just need to abandon all Kelvin shit.

To fix Star Trek is actually very simple
1. New show set after Picard as that is canonically the last entry in the series
2. An entire new cast with no legacy characters like TNG did
3. Acknowledge the past but not focus on it you can have a few cameos later on
4. Just write interesting stories, shows like Black Mirror do one off stories and they're on the most part good you don't need some big story arc as much as DS9 was great
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isnt ds9 the "last in the series"? picard isnt part of the gay j.j. movie universe where they blew up vulcan? but discovery and strange new worlds is part of that movie universe right? that seems crazy to be doing two shows in two unrelated timelines, i thought thats why that old admiral lady was cussing at picard because they were in the gay timeline
 
Muppetstudios said:
To fix Star Trek is actually very simple
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Even simpler: do a Di$ney -- make everything from JJ Abrams movies and on like "Legends" of Star Wars.

Then new stuff could be made that is consistent with the pre-JJ movies and shows and the other medias.

Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
isnt ds9 the "last in the series"?
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ENT came out after and did stuff like explain Klingons looking different in TOS versus later Klingons.

As you probably know, STD came along later and made up the new Klingons as portrayals of Trump voters.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
ENT came out after and did stuff like explain Klingons looking different in TOS versus later Klingons.

As you probably know, STD came along later and made up the new Klingons as portrayals of Trump voters.
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i may have worded things kind of fucked up, i meant like timescale wise in universe, i thought ds9 was basically the furthest point in the original timeline we were witnessing, and then yea enterprise did come out later irl but it takes place earlier in the original timeline, i just had to look this up, i thought all of nu-trek was because eric bana shinzo abe went through time and blew up vulcan and thats why everyone was gay and meanspirited, is this not the case? its telling me that only applies to the new movies
 
Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
i may have worded things kind of fucked up, i meant like timescale wise in universe, i thought ds9 was basically the furthest point in the original timeline we were witnessing, and then yea enterprise did come out later irl but it takes place earlier in the original timeline, i just had to look this up, i thought all of nu-trek was because eric bana shinzo abe went through time and blew up vulcan and thats why everyone was gay and meanspirited, is this not the case? its telling me that only applies to the new movies
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The Kelvin movies are because Spock used the Red matter to stop the Supernova and sent him and Nero into a different timeline. Picard is supposed to be in the real timeline where they saw the Supernova happen, but didn't get sucked into its timey-wimeyness. Well, not Kelvin timey-wimeyness, anyways.

I don't consider any of this canon, BTW.
 
Yeah, while Voyager takes player a bit after DS9, since it takes place mostly entirely in the Delta Quadrant, we don't really find out much of what happened post DS9. So historically DS9 is really the furthest we saw into history until they fucked it up with Nemesis and Star Trek Picard.
 
Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
eric bana shinzo abe went through time and blew up vulcan and thats why everyone was gay and meanspirited, is this not the case?
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That’s why Nu Kirk never took off with me. He’s got this permanent "dad left me for cigarettes" vibe. But then they made Spock into this psychotic weirdo which doesn’t even make sense because Vulcan doesn’t blow up until he’s a full-grown man. It’s like they just saw Zachary Quinto’s IMDb page and went, "do that again."
Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
I thought thats why that old admiral lady was cussing at picard because they were in the gay timeline
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I still have no clue why that GILF admiral was dropping F-bombs. If your “angry Starfleet dressing-down” scene can double as an SNL skit, you’ve gone too far.

They hint that Picard and this lady have some kind of history, but I’ve never seen her before in my life. She’s acting like he’s her ex. When she should really be giving a polite HR exit interview to some retired vineyard geezer.

That’s probably why the Confederation storyline is considered to be rock bottom for Picard. Seven wakes up in this mirror timeline where Starfleet is cartoonishly pissed off and fascist, but it looks exactly like the Kelvin timeline.

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What if FTL via warp drive really is as simple as it looks in ST:TNG? Plasma from a matter-antimatter reaction is channeled trough a series of coils, generating warp fields?

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