Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Tasty Tatty]

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure most Starfleet officers should at least be in good enough shape to bolt to the nearest escape pod when the ship is about to get blown up by the Breen or Paul Giamatti or whoever the main bad guys in the 31st century are now.

They should be in good shape because there is no reason for them to not be, except for old age. That's why some admirals are a bit heavy, yet they're still generally fine.

Their food replicates all nutrients they need without any trash we consume today. Even those who consume natural food, I'm sure take care that the products are of good quality. They have all free available health care and most diseases no longer exist or are treated quickly. They also seem to exercise more often than we do. And that's just the general population. Starfleet officers probably are more careful with their health. We've seen chubby Klingons and Romulans, but their officers in command and service are not.

Something made people become ugly, gay, and fat in (more) future Star Trek and that something is 21th Century progressive politics.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

They should be in good shape because there is no reason for them to not be, except for old age. That's why some admirals are a bit heavy, yet they're still generally fine.

In the modern armed forces the fitness requirements change with age (and they’re willing to bend the rules slightly based on seniority). It makes sense that you would want to retain people for their institutional knowledge, it takes decades to make a good officer so even if they can’t run sprints you want to keep them around.

I’m sure that Admiral Cunningham couldn’t run the length of Warspite, but he’s the guy you would want commanding your fleets flagship when the shells start flying.

Bringing up BSG, mini-Adama cultivated a lot of mass between one of the seasons, him losing the weight was actually a plot point.

However, Tilly was Goering-maxing for years and from what STD I have seen she was useless, I have no idea why they (canonically) kept her around, but I assume that a plot involving her losing the weight would have been seen as fat shaming or something.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Goering-maxing

from what STD I have seen she was useless, I have no idea why they (canonically) kept her around, but I assume that a plot involving her losing the weight would have been seen as fat shaming or something.

The fatso was indeed pretty much useless. If she had indeed been Goering-maxing, she would have been a highly decorated ace pilot before she got fat and useless.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

However, Tilly was Goering-maxing for years and from what STD I have seen she was useless, I have no idea why they (canonically) kept her around, but I assume that a plot involving her losing the weight would have been seen as fat shaming or something.

Them keeping her would have worked as a plot for Voyager, bc what could they do with her? Put her on a shuttle and send her back? They'd be stuck with her and other useless members of the crew. She could be the Gilligan of the show, like, they finally found a way to return and turns out she ate the wiring of the Return Home Device™ thinking it was spaghetti.

 

[Captain Syrup]

However, Tilly was Goering-maxing for years and from what STD I have seen she was useless, I have no idea why they (canonically) kept her around, but I assume that a plot involving her losing the weight would have been seen as fat shaming or something.

She’s the “audience surrogate,” she’s like, “I wanna be a captain!” and then the show’s like, “That’s cute, anyway back to the mushroom engine.” She has a therapy arc, too.

Kurtzman writes everything like he’s scared you’re gonna switch over to some other show if he doesn’t repeat "This is the character who is YOU, piggy. Please clap.”

Television is always like, “Representation matters,” and then the character is the saddest person ever created. And they never get to do anything cool. The only cute one was Kat from Euphoria and that’s like one win out of fifty.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

If Tilly is meant to be us, then I feel insulted. Like, wtf, the writers do think poorly of us.

TNG did have a similar character, though:



But she wasn't useless nor she was an idiot. She was just new at her job and likely young. And she was told exactly what Wesley was told when both asked how they could work knowing people have just died: "it's your job as a Starfleet officer to keep your feelings down and do your job, and grief later", which is the right thing to tell to someone from the military.

 

[William Murderface]

If Tilly is meant to be us, then I feel insulted. Like, wtf, the writers do think poorly of us.

TNG did have a similar character, though:

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But she wasn't useless nor she was an idiot. She was just new at her job and likely young. And she was told exactly what Wesley was told when both asked how they could work knowing people have just died: "it's your job as a Starfleet officer to keep your feelings down and do your job, and grief later", which is the right thing to tell to someone from the military.

You mean sharing your feelings in the middle of a battle isn't the thing to do on the bridge or in a foxhole?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

If Tilly is meant to be us, then I feel insulted. Like, wtf, the writers do think poorly of us.

They live in their shitlib commie shithole bubbles full of delusional wanna-be aristocrats. Of course they think poorly of normal people with normal lives. Everyone who's not them is a MAGA nazi giga Hitler. They couldn't write a Miles O'Brien or Quark if their own life depended on it. Since those retards are also fairly young, we have to deal with this bullshit for at least another 30 years - even if LLM-slop eventually replaced most of them.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

You mean sharing your feelings in the middle of a battle isn't the thing to do on the bridge or in a foxhole?

Well, as a former soldier myself I can say you'd be surprised what gets said in a foxhole

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

In the modern armed forces the fitness requirements change with age (and they’re willing to bend the rules slightly based on seniority). It makes sense that you would want to retain people for their institutional knowledge, it takes decades to make a good officer so even if they can’t run sprints you want to keep them around.

Also, they didn't have Space Hegseth to whip their fat asses into shape.

However, Tilly was Goering-maxing

My sides are in orbit.

Unless you're physically fucking the symbiont(s) they don't count as actual participates. Although they do count as onlooking backseaters.

Time... is nothing but one big flat fucking circle.

"10 bucks says you can't get that slug to fit up your ass!"

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Well, as a former soldier myself I can say you'd be surprised what gets said in a foxhole

FYI, notice that Riker went to her quarters, privately, to have a private conversation with someone who was going through hard times (and who later apologized to Beverly) as a friend, not as her officer. It's not like ST never talked about personal drama and people losing their temper or control, it's just that they knew they are officers who are expected a certain behavior. When officers are out of line, they get rightfully scolded. I'm sure that, if Troi had started to yell and cry to people while in the Bridge, she would have been sent away to cool down and even suspended until she got better. This is a moment between two friends, just like Picard tried to reason with her as a friend rather than as a Captain.

I know there are more examples, but I remember Worf losing his temper a few times and being told "any problem, Mr. Worf?" because, Klingon or not, he's not meant to lash at people or being cocky. They joke to each other because they're friends, but they aren't gonna start joking in the middle of the Borg invasion.

 

[Miller]

It's the lack of etiquette. Kurtzman Trek has no sense of etiquette. There's a time and a place for the emotions, but once a character is on duty they have more important things to care about than their pronouns or someone else's nails (yes, this happened in STD).
See the difference between this scene from TNG:

and STD:

(that said, a better comparison would be with the scene from the tribble Short Trek)

 

[Captain Syrup]

Also, they didn't have Space Hegseth

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

She could be the Gilligan of the show

I thought that was Janeway.

She’s the “audience surrogate,” she’s like, “I wanna be a captain!” and then the show’s like, “That’s cute, anyway back to the mushroom engine.” She has a therapy arc, too.

It's not a bad idea to have an idealistic rookie character, especially as a foil to the more cynical Burnham. The issue is how rushed her arc could be at times.

Tilly being promoted to Ensign at the end of the first season felt like a natural progression. Her being promoted to Acting First Officer two years later while still an Ensign is not natural.

But she wasn't useless nor she was an idiot. She was just new at her job and likely young. And she was told exactly what Wesley was told when both asked how they could work knowing people have just died: "it's your job as a Starfleet officer to keep your feelings down and do your job, and grief later", which is the right thing to tell to someone from the military.

Best part is that Gomez eventually became a captain by Lower Decks and was shown to have matured a lot over the years.

You mean sharing your feelings in the middle of a battle isn't the thing to do on the bridge or in a foxhole?

Does shouting at your men to "GET OOOOOUT! GET OUT OF THERRRRE!!!" count?

Well, as a former soldier myself I can say you'd be surprised what gets said in a foxhole

Is it like Discovery?

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

Is it like Discovery?

Nah, it's even more gay

 

[Screamer_2]

Paul Giamatti's spaceship is a fucking transformer. Starfleet will never RETVRN to coherent spaceship designs.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OMsF9MP2I8c

They're like the ships from the Grid in Tron. Or the Spaceships from Jupitor Ascending. They have floating parts, sections and hulls that aren't connected. Discovery brought that in when they went to the future. I think event he refit of the Discovery had floating warp nacelles. No idea as I only watched a few episodes.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Floating nacelles look cool, tbh, and it fits a future that is even more futuristic for Star Trek. But Star Trek still has some science background that tries to explain all their tech and makes you think "mmmh, that can be possible in the future". But something that's even more futuristic than the future, feels like magic, as if it's there because it looks cool without any consideration for how it can be possible. I mean, why not invisible nacelles? When you read some of the explanations, it's like Starfleet (or whatever is in charge in that time) invested more time and resources making the floating nacelles than on the functionality of the ship. Most engineers would tell you that requirement on the design is not worth the effort and they'd be right.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

But she wasn't useless

[citation needed]
books dont count

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

They're like the ships from the Grid in Tron. Or the Spaceships from Jupitor Ascending. They have floating parts, sections and hulls that aren't connected. Discovery brought that in when they went to the future. I think event he refit of the Discovery had floating warp nacelles. No idea as I only watched a few episodes.

Yes, and that shit sucked in a setting with already established design rules.

 

[teriyakiburns]

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure most Starfleet officers should at least be in good enough shape to bolt to the nearest escape pod when the ship is about to get blown up by the Breen or Paul Giamatti or whoever the main bad guys in the 31st century are now.

At the very least, they should be able to fit through the hatch.