Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Captain Syrup]

They should have hired someone like Roseanne Barr for that role if they wanted to do that gag so much.

Al is the kind of guy who ruins his life because he married the first gas station blowjob he received.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

What if the Harvesters from the '90s Independence Day movie (ID4) delayed going after Earth for around four centuries? Then they try to go after Earth, but it's the Earth of Star Trek in the 24th century? Could the Federation fare better against the spacecraft of the Harvesters, without having to upload some computer virus from a PowerBook 5300?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

What if the Harvesters from the '90s Independence Day movie (ID4) delayed going after Earth for around four centuries? Then they try to go after Earth, but it's the Earth of Star Trek in the 24th century? Could the Federation fare better against the spacecraft of the Harvesters, without having to upload some computer virus from a PowerBook 5300?

they could reroute the positrons through the phase inverters

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

Al is the kind of guy who ruins his life because he married the first gas station blowjob he received.

He could have been a Football star!
Did you know he scored 4 touchdown in a single game back in high school!

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

What if the Harvesters from the '90s Independence Day movie (ID4) delayed going after Earth for around four centuries? Then they try to go after Earth, but it's the Earth of Star Trek in the 24th century? Could the Federation fare better against the spacecraft of the Harvesters, without having to upload some computer virus from a PowerBook 5300?

Starfleet would nuke that shit light years away from Earth. It would take them a while, because the mothership is just massive, but some of the evil admirals will just use a Genesis bomb. It's all filed away under "just another tuesday".

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

What if the Harvesters from the '90s Independence Day movie (ID4) delayed going after Earth for around four centuries? Then they try to go after Earth, but it's the Earth of Star Trek in the 24th century? Could the Federation fare better against the spacecraft of the Harvesters, without having to upload some computer virus from a PowerBook 5300?

Seriously? The Federation has significantly better weapons than 90s USA. It's an equal fight at worse because they both have shields and energy weapons and it's probably in favor of the Feds because they have better tech--especially a post 2370s fleet--and don't have to deal with backdoor commands.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Seriously? The Federation has significantly better weapons than 90s USA.

Maybe, but those city destroyers are very big though (25 km or 15 mi wide) and that huge mothership they come from is 550 km wide (with mass somehow equal to 1/4th of moon). Oh yeah, and because of the shield, a city destroyer can withstand a direct nuclear blast (as seen in that scene where the American military tries to nuke one over Houston.)

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

What if the Harvesters from the '90s Independence Day movie (ID4) delayed going after Earth for around four centuries? Then they try to go after Earth, but it's the Earth of Star Trek in the 24th century? Could the Federation fare better against the spacecraft of the Harvesters, without having to upload some computer virus from a PowerBook 5300?

The mothership ain't no V'Ger or Whale Probe, that's for sure.

Sure it's massive and has shielding, but we have no idea how powerful said shielding is beyond surviving a 1990s nuke. It's effective against ballistics like missiles and nuclear arms but we never see how it fares against even low-power energy weapons, so for all we know it could be complete dogshit and not block anything beyond that.

I imagine the Enterprise by itself could blitz through the center of the ship with quantum torpedoes without getting a scratch, let alone the entire federation fleet. A singular TOS era Connie can completely glass an entire planet's surface from orbit just with it's standard compliment of 23rd century tech. 24th? Not even a fight. It's only advantage would be it's size, which wouldn't matter as the Feds would be able to catch it long before it ever got close to Earth.

The only era of the federation I could see having trouble with something like the mothership would be Archer's.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Sure it's massive and has shielding, but we have no idea how powerful said shielding is beyond surviving a 1990s nuke. It's effective against ballistics like missiles and nuclear arms but we never see how it fares against even low-power energy weapons, so for all we know it could be complete dogshit and not block anything beyond that.

I guess if those shields and weapons of the Harvesters are at least comparable to shields and phasers of Starfleet then maybe they could pose a challenge, but otherwise nah.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Maybe, but those city destroyers are very big though (25 km or 15 mi wide) and that huge mothership they come from is 550 km wide (with mass somehow equal to 1/4th of moon). Oh yeah, and because of the shield, a city destroyer can withstand a direct nuclear blast (as seen in that scene where the American military tries to nuke one over Houston.)

Sure, but we don't know how powerful the Aliens' weapons or shields are. Now, since they shoot "green shit," I'll assume they're using disruptors, which is standard weapons on a Romulan or Klingon warship. Nothing to sneeze at, but the Federation does have shields that can withstand that kind of weapon. If we assume the aliens have sufficient shields against their own weapons, then they're about as well shielded as a D'Deridix or Negh'var or less, so they're in the powerful, but not insurmountable range. We can infer that fighter swarms aren't going to be effective against the Federation because phaser sweeps will overwhelm the Aliens' fighter craft, so there goes the disrupter quantity advantage. So, it's like an aircraft carrier with nerfed fighters fighting a modern cruiser.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Now, since they shoot "green shit," I'll assume they're using disruptors, which is standard weapons on a Romulan or Klingon warship. Nothing to sneeze at, but the Federation does have shields that can withstand that kind of weapon.

The way that main city destroyer cannon thing (or "anti-monument laser" in Futurama) works looks like some plasma thing. Dunno how Federation shields deal with plasma stuff.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Now, since they shoot "green shit," I'll assume they're using disruptors, which is standard weapons on a Romulan or Klingon warship. Nothing to sneeze at, but the Federation does have shields that can withstand that kind of weapon. If we assume the aliens have sufficient shields against their own weapons, then they're about as well shielded as a D'Deridix or Negh'var or less, so they're in the powerful, but not insurmountable range.

Keep in mind that the giant green fuck you blast that the city-destroyers use is described as a laser by most contemporary sources, which wouldn't be powerful enough to even tickle a TNG-era ships shields. It was later clarified as plasma-based in the expanded lore (iirc and if you count that sequel shit lmao), so it could be, at most, comparable to Romulan torpedoes at the high-end of speculative powerscaling.

Not that it would help much though. The beams fired from these ships are incredibly slow compared to Federation weaponry. They have a massive windup before they even fire so if they're (theoretically) powerful enough to damage a 24th century ship's shields, the other ship would see it coming, dodge out of the way and already be returning fire before the Harvesters even got a shot off.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The way that main city destroyer cannon thing (or "anti-monument laser" in Futurama) works looks like some plasma thing. Dunno how Federation shields deal with plasma stuff.

They had plasma rifles all the way back in Enterprise and that weapon was on its way out in favor of disruptors and phasers.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The funniest solution would be for the Enterprise to just tractor-beam an asteroid and fly it at the mothership really, really hard. Wtf are they gonna do? Dodge?

 

[Phillip Green]

Yeah, I loved Married with Children but that gag never ever made sense to me. Why wouldn't you want to have sex with your hot wife?

The familiarity of marriage breeding contempt, and Al's self-perceived misery, justified or not, is the fundamental conceit of the show. The humorous deconstruction of traditional marriage was the whole point, and was the main thing that got it so much flak from conservatives at the time.

As to Al being oblivious to Segal's hotness, I remember they actually once did a bit pointing out how dumb this was on one episode. Peg and Al are talking to a different couple, and we hear Al's internal monologue lusting after the other man's hot blonde wife. Then we switch to the other man's perspective, where he's ogling Peg and thinking about how envious he is of Al's busty redheaded wife.

Not that it would help much though. The beams fired from these ships are incredibly slow compared to Federation weaponry. They have a massive windup before they even fire so if they're (theoretically) powerful enough to damage a 24th century ship's shields, the other ship would see it coming, dodge out of the way and already be returning fire before the Harvesters even got a shot off.

The only question I have is how long the fight would last, and that's entirely dependent on how powerful Harvester shields actually are. Offensively it's not even a question.

Even in TOS, the 23rd century pre-refit Enterprise's weapons are stated to be capable of wiping out all of a planet's cities in short order (something dozens of city-ships took days to methodically do), or even glassing entire continents. Photon torpedoes are capable of orders of magnitude higher yield than the nuke the US Air Force used in the movie. Matter/Antimatter power wins, as those filthy knife-eared Romulans learned in the 2160s.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Keep in mind that the giant green fuck you blast that the city-destroyers use is described as a laser by most contemporary sources, which wouldn't be powerful enough to even tickle a TNG-era ships shields.

It greatly depends on who's lasers being used against Federation and other Star Trek ships. Secondly the OG Enterprise was armed with lasers in the first season until she was refitted with phasers. Those TNG-era ship shields, including ENT-D's, didn't do shit against the Borg's cutting lasers. Only the Atlec and Lysian lasers were weak enough to considered non-threatening by Picard.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Those TNG-era ship shields, including ENT-D's, didn't do shit against the Borg's cutting lasers.

Didn't the Borg drain their shields first? I could've sworn they had them in a tractor beam and the shields were gone by the time the cutting beam was whipped out.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Didn't the Borg drain their shields first? I could've sworn they had them in a tractor beam and the shields were gone by the time the cutting beam was whipped out.

I just rewatched the scenes and you're right on them draining ENT-D's shields first.

 

[Phillip Green]

Worf did describe the Borg cutting beam as "some kind of laser beam", but yeah, the Borg tractor beam was able to disable the ships shields before carving out that circle in the saucer (one of my favorite miniature shots in TNG).

 

[Gimmick Account]

I wish that everybody who posted on the previous page would get shot with the skeletonification ray from Mars Attacks