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Rewatching DS9 and i have to say, Jadzia Dax is kind of a bitch. Particularly in how she treats Worf.
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Old Picard sounds like Old Charles Xavier, and I mean the movies Xavier that portray Xavier as if he's like 70 when he's barely 55, iicr.
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Who also is really just Seven of Nine in name only because Jeri Ryan is just playing herself rather than the character.
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RLM like it. I think that demonstrates how much brain damage they have from excessive drinking.
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Art is a product of the time and place it's made. The biggest problem was that despite the stakes, not much happens once Spock shows up until he figures out he can have emotions and be a Vulcan after all. The crew goes to see the crew of V'ger and the movie promptly grinds to a halt.
That and the payoff is being a dick is justified. Kirk uses the crisis to get back in the center seat and everyone is glad the band is back together. Spock physically assaults a crewman but he is able to bridge the space between emotions and Vulcan self-awareness and the band is back together. V'Ger nearly destroys Earth but got what it wanted, Decker and Ilia evolve into a spot where they are all together and Decker isn't coming back as recurring threat to Kirk being back in charge. It's all one nice, neat package.
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TMP holds a special place in my heart, much earlier in the thread I did a sperg post about how it was back then to see Star Trek on the big screen after so much time being gone.
It is a good movie? Why yes, yes it is. Is it a great movie...not really. It was a block-buster for it's time though earning over a billion dollars when the inflation is added in. But it is most defiantly a Star Trek movie. Wrath is great movie but it's a little too action packed to be a perfect Trek movie. Trek has always been less about the big booms and more about the thunkful moments. You want action go watch Star Wars.
Now today's kids would hate TMP, it's slow, it's purposeful and it's deliberate in what it wants to do. I like that and it's still my 3nd favourite of the bunch. 4 is more of a buddy comedy, still a great movie but less and less Star Trekkie.
But take that with a grain of salt as I also really liked 3. Kelly doing his best Nimoy impression never fails to entertain me and I liked the whole plot line of getting Spock back together before his Ka destroyed Bone's mind. Kurg is a great Klingon who set the stage for all the "stupid but honourable" Klingon's to come and the BoP design is fucking iconic for a reason. 50 years later they're still using it.
In shot TMP is great Trek movie but only an OK overall movie. Wrath is a great movie but only a OK Trek movie and 3 has a place in the fandom if people would just stop comparing it to 2.
It is a good movie? Why yes, yes it is. Is it a great movie...not really. It was a block-buster for it's time though earning over a billion dollars when the inflation is added in. But it is most defiantly a Star Trek movie. Wrath is great movie but it's a little too action packed to be a perfect Trek movie. Trek has always been less about the big booms and more about the thunkful moments. You want action go watch Star Wars.
Now today's kids would hate TMP, it's slow, it's purposeful and it's deliberate in what it wants to do. I like that and it's still my 3nd favourite of the bunch. 4 is more of a buddy comedy, still a great movie but less and less Star Trekkie.
But take that with a grain of salt as I also really liked 3. Kelly doing his best Nimoy impression never fails to entertain me and I liked the whole plot line of getting Spock back together before his Ka destroyed Bone's mind. Kurg is a great Klingon who set the stage for all the "stupid but honourable" Klingon's to come and the BoP design is fucking iconic for a reason. 50 years later they're still using it.
In shot TMP is great Trek movie but only an OK overall movie. Wrath is a great movie but only a OK Trek movie and 3 has a place in the fandom if people would just stop comparing it to 2.
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TMP is the most scifi og ST has ever looked. The movie feels like the love child of Star Wars and 2001.
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TMP's spaceship porn really is fucking sweet on a well-focused and lit big screen and carries the whole thing a lot more than it does on even a large-ish hdtv
Trek 5 has important rock climbing and god punching, two aspects of TOS underrepresented in the movies.
Trek 5 has important rock climbing and god punching, two aspects of TOS underrepresented in the movies.
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Worf and Dax both think “I can fix her/him”.
Dax is never gonna stop getting drunk! Worf is never gonna loosen up! He will always be constipated! He's a weird adoption-case raised by Russians!
That’s why it’s good, though. It’s not flattering. It’s just two people slowly accepting, Oh, this is as good as it gets.
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It's still a better love story than Twilight - and everything nu-Trek has ever done in that regard. Trek was never good doing romance. Worf and Dax are fine, exactly because they're two quite difficult and especially different people.
I never minded that much, because the Big E is a member of the main cast. Without the ship, where would Kirk and gang be? Starship porn is important, pacing be damned. The new model of the Enterprise also paid itself off over the years. They kept it for six movies, and some of the bits and pieces were later used in the television shows. Hell, Picard's first ship, the Stargazer, initially was planned to be a refit Connie rather than what we got.
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3 is a great movie and also serves as the beginning point of the best Star Trek overarching storyline; Kirk's racism arc.
-It's too long
-Nothing happens
-The visual design of everything that isn't a starship looks like beige bootycheeks
Just watch The Changeling and Saturday Night Fever back to back, then take a really long nap. It's the same experience.
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Yeah, I'm with you both. If you're a trek or more general sci-fi fan, they're gorgeous. The original models and effects shots have held up very well, even ignoring the 4k updates made for the more recent director's cut, and compare very favorably with the work ILM was doing on Empire Strikes Back at roughly the same time.
But try explaining that to your normie friend / girlfriend / wife watching a spaceship for 10 minutes while listening to what sounds like Wagner, when they just want that weird Mr. Spock guy to show up. Being honest, it's objectively a pacing problem with the film.
Speaking of music, in my earlier defense of the movie, I left out the music. Joining Star Wars in rejecting the standard 70's sci-fi disco electronica, Jerry Goldsmith produced an excellent orchestral score. Obviously, the end credits march would become the theme for TNG and the default "Star Trek song" most people recognize. However, so much of the rest of the score would live on through the rest of the franchise, most notably the Klingon battle theme which would be used in TNG and several of the other films.
And while I think the 5 minute long "Overture" intro in the original release (the director's cut shortens this considerably) is Robert Wise's old Hollywood pretension showing, I still really like "Ilia's theme". Although, amusingly, Paramount bastardized this against Goldsmith's objections as "A Star Beyond Time", a pop arrangement of the song with Shaun Cassidy singing moronic lyrics.
STIII is 1000% underrated, and my second favorite Trek movie after TWOK. I need to get the 4k BluRay version that released a couple years ago.
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I saw some guy took footage from TMP and changed the color pallet to be closer to the TOS standard, so instead of beige and gray everything, turbolift doors are red, the control console desk tops are glossy black, the chair upholstery is some darker color and it makes the entire set just pop to the eye.
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I LOVED Kirks anti-Klingon arc. It made sense, it made Kirk more human as he has a flaw and he's not the peerless hero that TOS made him out to be and it gave us probably the second most killer line in the whole IP
"Let them DIE"
Oddly enough Shatner hated that line and wanted it cut. He felt it was un-Kirk like and fought very hard to get Nimoy to cut it. Hell even to film the line Nimoy had to trick Shatner telling him it was just a rough take but it ended up being amazingly powerful. So powerful in fact that when Shatner saw the dailies even he admitted it should stay in.
Kirk had very good reasons to hate the Klingon's, very personal reasons. While Khan was Kirk's personal nemesis in the sense Khan was Kirk's foil but it was the Klingon's who were Kirk's antagonists. They've tried to kill him many many many times, they ended up killing his only son and they killed his beloved ship (kinda) and in the end it's understandable that he would want them gone forever.
In my mind it should have been the Klingon's who killed Kirk, none of this Generation nonsense. Either let Kirk be killed in a desperate last man stand to protect something vital, fighting his hated foes and go down in glory as the hero he is or let him die at home in bed, surrounded by green Orion slave girls like a boss having survived everything the universe could throw at him.
That Generations crap getting of sucked out into space in an accident and into the vortex thing always pissed me off.
Kirk is one of mankind's greatest hero's. Let him go out like a boss.
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iirc wasn't Kirk more specifically killed by Alex in the earlier version and they rehot it or something?
but yeah articles and hitlerings aside Kirk vs Klingons was absolutely the arc of the movies when they weren't unkilling Spock
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Worf deserved better than Dax and he could have got someone better. Dax was never having someone better than Worf.
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When that movie came out, I saw a standup comedian on late night TV that had a joke about this. Basically he said he wanted to see Kirk die on the bridge of the burning Enterprise, crashing the ship into a Klingon armada in a kamikaze attack and saving the galaxy. And I realized that he was right.
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Kor, who had been one of Kirk's Klingon antagonists in TOS, went out in a blaze of glory. But not Kirk. Nope, he got crushed under a bridge on a planet nobody gave a fuck about.
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So I was logging in to star trek online this morning to claim todays christmas giveaway item and I noticed something.... interesting to say the least. There was a splash screen reminding everybody of the new additions to the winter wonderland store. Specifically, a new seasonal sweater with shall we say an interesting name. The login was fast enough that I wasn't sure that I read it correctly, so I went back to the news page on the site to double check any mention of this shirt and sure enough, cryptic done fucked up:
Note the shirt the andorian is wearing and the name. Magical Mellanoid. Cryptic, a company famous for being filled with left wing loonies to the point there have been multiple incidents with staff that would have gotten a person fired in any normal company, decided to name their new festive christmas sweater after a racial slur. One that should have been easy to catch and blatantly obvious. Guess what came up when I was googling the particular shirt in question
and of course they had to call it a magical mellanoid sweater of all things, just to ironically double down and include another famous racial slur about the whole magical negro thing everybody reees about when they see
So, you heard it here first, in sto you can spend your holiday season wearing a festive magical negro sweater, courtesy of Q and the good folks at cryptic. Thats some great PR you're going to have there when somebody realizes it
Note the shirt the andorian is wearing and the name. Magical Mellanoid. Cryptic, a company famous for being filled with left wing loonies to the point there have been multiple incidents with staff that would have gotten a person fired in any normal company, decided to name their new festive christmas sweater after a racial slur. One that should have been easy to catch and blatantly obvious. Guess what came up when I was googling the particular shirt in question
and of course they had to call it a magical mellanoid sweater of all things, just to ironically double down and include another famous racial slur about the whole magical negro thing everybody reees about when they see
So, you heard it here first, in sto you can spend your holiday season wearing a festive magical negro sweater, courtesy of Q and the good folks at cryptic. Thats some great PR you're going to have there when somebody realizes it
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