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Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
Aye, I think that's the hardest part of watching Picard. Stewart is simply unable to act like Picard anymore. Every line is delivered in laboriously weak wispy tone. Long gone is the gravitas and class that Captain Jean-Luc Picard held himself with. All we have is a tired old man, unable to relive his past glory. Hell, the fucker won't even wear an uniform. That was literally his first condition to come back.
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TNG worked because Patrick Stewart sounded like the future. That’s it. He talked like a guy who's a better version of yourself. (Americans in sci-fi always sound like a guy who just left a Buffalo Wild Wings. You put Chris Pratt in the future and he’s like, “So do we get paid extra for space? " British actors can just be in the future.)

And then by the movies, the cast is just chilling. Nobody’s acting. It’s like they showed up in sweatpants. Casual Friday-ass Enterprise. Picard especially. He’s supposed to be the moral center and now he’s like, “What if I drove a dune buggy and smiled like an asshole?”

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This TV Guide interview is insane. Marina is like, It was hard to get everyone back.

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And you’re like, yeah, because the script is a wet fart.

And she’s like, But Patrick was eager to return. Of course he was eager. He doesn’t want to play Picard, he wants to play Patrick Stewart on vacation. He’s a bored old guy escaping his house. At least the Rolling Stones still play the hits. These guys don’t even do that.
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
By the end of DS9 I always ended up thinking the Bajorans had it coming. What an irritating group of people.

Kira even at the end was still seething about her mother being a collaborator even after seeing first hand how she was forced into it and it enabled Kira to live. What a bitch,
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The Bajorans on DS9 are the most irritating “planet of hats” ever. Their hat is just Religion™ and they wear it for seven seasons. And the Maquis being mostly Bajoran explains so much. No wonder they were so stupid. The Maquis are like if Antifa was run by your aunt who won’t shut up about crystals.

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The ’90s could not do religion. Even Babylon 5, which was way more generous to other cultures and beliefs, still treated religion like an outdated operating system (remember the episode where the alien parents disown their kid because surgery is heresy?) Trek especially didn’t care. Sisko gets to do some interesting stuff with immaculate conception, predestination, “God’s Plan" but that has almost nothing to do with the Bajorans as people. He’s just in Bajor’s time zone.

The only good Bajorans are the ones who don’t give a shit. Leeta’s just dim and getting her knockers out at Quark’s. That casino guy from “Rivals” is great. The best Bajoran is a pagan degenerate.
 
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Phillip Green said:
Starship porn. Paramount spent a lot of money on the fancy new Enterprise model, and they'd be damned if they weren't going to show it off. I always loved it, but, objectively, 10 minutes of Kirk slowly orbiting the ship to classical music, and another 10 minutes of the ship slowly flying over V'ger, really drag the pacing.
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The ship porn makes sense, the fans of the Original Series deserved it.
Spreaking about the music, there's a nice detail in the score, you don't hear the TOS theme only after Spock takes his position as science officer on the bridge, making the band back together.
One thing I didn't get is why the long intro at the beginning of the movie? The full TMP theme plays but the screen is black.

The 1970's. The movie was filmed during the peak of disco, and it shows. Not just with Disco McCoy, but with beige sterile sets, and the drab pantsuit uniforms. All Trek has the smell of it's time, but TMP absolutely reeks of the Carter administration.
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To me that's the biggest issue with TMP. The uniforms are really bad and made the crew look like they were wearing onesies pyjamas (some of them are clearly wearing nothing under it). Kirk also kept changing uniforms from one scene to another.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
The ’90s just could not do religion. Even Babylon 5, which was way more generous to other cultures and belief systems, still treated religion like an outdated operating system (remember the episode where the alien parents disown their kid because surgery is heresy?) Trek especially didn’t care. Sisko gets to do some interesting stuff with immaculate conception, predestination, “God’s Plan" but that has almost nothing to do with the Bajorans as people. He’s just in Bajor’s time zone.
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The bajoran religion only ever fluxuated between the two approved 90s religion depictions; "primitive tribespeople worshipping rocks" and "angry karen telling you that touching your penis makes god cry" with zero in-between. It was both, simultaneously, all depending on which character the writers wanted to use.

When it's with Kira's boytoy, it's vague tribal nature worship and smoking peyote mode.
When it's with Kai Winn, it's angry karen bible thumper mode.

In 90s sci-fi, religion is almost never depicted as culturally important, morally upright or philosophically wise unless it's vague mysticism "noble savage" shit, the moment a religion was depicted as having any kind of organization the scriptwriter just morphs into Bill Hicks.

Once a religion started resembling Christianity, even on a completely skin-deep surface level, it had to then be depicted as corrupt and wrong or malignantly misguided.
 
Miller said:
One thing I didn't get is why the long intro at the beginning of the movie? The full TMP theme plays but the screen is black.
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An overture that plays before a movie actually starts showing a picture is an old movie thing that goes way back to at least the 40s. Before theater's started playing a half hour of ads and previews before the movie, it told the audience to shut up and get to your seats as the film was actually starting. They also commonly had a similar song break during the intermission (when they had to physically change film reels for longer movies) and after the credits when the lights came up (telling the audience to hit the bricks).

By the late 70's this practice was already very rare, but the director Robert Wise was very old school, and everyone involved in the production were neurotic about the movie being a proper "theatrical" film, so they wanted all of the old Hollywood trappings. So it had a 1950's style overture (which is the lovely Ilia's theme I mentioned earlier).

Very few home video releases of older movies have preserved these, with TMP strangely doing so in all the releases I'm aware of.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
In 90s sci-fi, religion is almost never depicted as culturally important, morally upright or philosophically wise unless it's vague mysticism "noble savage" shit, the moment a religion was depicted as having any kind of organization the scriptwriter just morphs into Bill Hicks.

Once a religion started resembling Christianity, even on a completely skin-deep surface level, it had to then be depicted as corrupt and wrong or malignantly misguided.
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90s U.S. entertainment really only had a massive hate boner for Christianity. Judaism, Buddhism and etc. however were not to be fucked with and must be respected. Islam and muslims varied from good to bad mainly depending on the genre and whether Americans are or are not the bad guys.
 
Miller said:
Thanks for the info. It's strange that they kept it in for the home release/streaming version.
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They probably think it's some goofy avant garde "artistic choice" with no purpose and not just a way to tell people to sit down in the theater.

Preserving as much as possible, no matter how goofy, is a noble enough goal I suppose.
 
To suggest TSFS has less SOVL than TWOK let alone TOWTW is highly illogical.
 
That's one thing that just never really gelled with me: The whole Maquis deal. I was totally with Sisko on this one. These people could just have relocated. It's not like there was a shortage of Federation planets to settle. It's not like they were going to get evicted without any help. The Federation was more than happy to assist all those people resettle, they did afteral, sign their homes away and were going to take responsibility.

No instead they decide to stay with a race that's well known to be absolute fuckers and xenophobic assholes. Of course this leads to hostility and then they just decide to go on a crusade that led them all to be eradicated. Well done. You couldn't just have moved? Fuck if you didn't want to do it again you were literally allowed back on Earth and just enjoyed future social welfare.

But nooooo, you had to be difficult. Zero understanding too, the deal allowed the Federation to make peace with the Cardassian; an empire they were at war with for 20+ years. How many fucking people died in the Cardassian war? You can't fucking move? Federation officer DIED for this peace and you can't fucking move?

Seriously, fuck the Maquis.
 
Phillip Green said:
I think that, like Voyager before it, the characters and their actors were OK, but the writing really failed them. For the first couple seasons the actors were stuck with pretty garbage dialogue and dumb plots. Remember when Archer let a species go extinct because the writers (through Phlox) didn't understand how evolution works? So many infuriating and deeply stupid moments like that in season 1-3. Aside from Shran, of course, where Combs was perfect in every scene.

Things were so much better in season 4, and the show could have been great if we got the full 7 and the Romulan War and Federation building arc they were building .
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We really didn't need the first 2 seasons of Enterprise. Both of those could have been condensed down into half a season easy. The 7 year plan should have started as a 5 year plan. If they wanted to do "of the week" style stories, then they should have started out the show like season 4 was. And the Xindi conflict should have been the Fed-Rom war.

Mussolini’s Merkin said:
The dark times:

Discovery: The abbreviation is STD and it is fitting. Everyone is fat and miserable, all communication is yelling or crying. Jason Issacs is great in it though.

Picard: There is an ongoing psy-op that season 3 was good.

Strange New Worlds: Haven’t seen it, apparently it’s not too bad, but there are musical episodes so take from that what you will.

Lower Decks: When the show that respects the lore of Star Trek is also a low rent Rick and Morty ripoff you know you are in trouble.

Academy: Isn’t out yet but it is shaping up to do to Star Trek what Pol Pot did to Cambodias educational system.
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How fitting you forgot about Prodigy.

Janeway is very disappointed...
 
Flexo said:
We really didn't need the first 2 seasons of Enterprise. Both of those could have been condensed down into half a season easy. The 7 year plan should have started as a 5 year plan. If they wanted to do "of the week" style stories, then they should have started out the show like season 4 was. And the Xindi conflict should have been the Fed-Rom war.
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Having just finished season 1 and 2, I think there were some gems in there. Personally I enjoyed it, but I get why a lot of people don't. It wanders a lot and could have been condensed.
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On starships, the Excelsior class is one of my favorites. Looks like a proper warship and is used well into the DS9 era due to being so solid
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Cnut said:
If you mean Chris Sarandon that guy was an El Aurian which is why he was such a good con artist.
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Right. I was mixing up Guinan’s species with that rich Bajoran granny he’s trying to swindle/fuck. She’s Bajoran.

Also weird that we see three Al-Aurians ever, and two of them are villains. If you count Guinan’s dad being an asshole, that’s basically all of them.

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