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That was a really nice collection of loose ends teaming up
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Really interesting tension where you’ve got Lore, this fully positronic android with a human face glued on, and then the Borg who started out flesh and blood and got whittled into cyborgs.
Note also how rare “villain team-ups” are on tv, and especially Star Trek. This is one of the better ones, the other being Dukat linking up with the Changelings. Seska pulling the Kazons' strings had potential but they abandoned the concept. By the time the Changelings teamed up with the Borg in Picard’s last season it was just tired. Soran and the Duras sisters, uhh....
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That was some of the dumbest shit ever. How was Seska supposed to keep her braindead henchmen in line? Just with the power of spoonhead tits, ass and pussy she keeps dangling in front of them? What was the endgame here? Out-insaning Insaneway? Ridiculous. The only way her retarded plan could have worked requires her rocking up to the Kazon in fucking power armor and going all "this is my boomstick!" on them, and every now and then executing one of them for being retarded Temu-Klingons.
That kind of made sense. Soran needed muscle to get the unobtainium for his sun-wiping superweapon, the Duras needed that sun-wiping superweapon to kick out Gowron and incinerate anyone on the High Council who might oppose them. The best part here: it worked right until the moment Picard used a space magic-reverse uno card on the whole lot. Personally, I think the bad guy (and girls) should have won, for all the wacky shit they could have done with that in DS9.
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Yeah, aside from the cool new sets in this episode, the story had some pretty serious universe breaking problems. Like how in the idealistic Star Trek future, if the ship's psychic sex worker therapist or irrational dog-man security officer suspect you of a 15-year-old crime, you have zero rights and the whore can mind-rape you in the course of her investigation. None of the other command staff question this or challenge this abuse of power in any way.
Every time I want to piss off an annoying Reddit-Trek fan, I simply point them to Eye of the Beholder and then do the soyjack consoomer face while making monkey noises and shouting "Utopia!".
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The thing with Seska is she’s like, “Janeway is too moral,” which is absurd because Janeway spends the entire show like, "Let’s fly directly into the murder nebula. For ethics.”
And Seska sucks.
Martha Hackett rules though. Every time she shows up I’m like, “Hell yeah, Martha Hackett,” and then a moment later I’m like, “...oh, it’s Seska, goddammit.”
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It's not even an original idea. The Duras sisters did something similar by using their nephew to run the Klingon Empire.
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Uh, not the seduction part, thankfully.
Seska is one of those villains who only got as far as she did by virtue of the heroes being just as inept as she was. Remember, after Seska defected to the Kazon, nobody on Voyager's crew thought, "Hey, maybe we should change our command codes so the traitor can't use them." until the Kazon pulled a Wrath of Khan on their asses. And after Seska was axed off, the writers then set their sights on making the Borg just as stupid.And Seska sucks.
Martha Hackett rules though. Every time she shows up I’m like, “Hell yeah, Martha Hackett,” and then a moment later I’m like, “...oh, it’s Seska, goddammit.”
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Jellico remains the most competent Starfleet captain of the TNG to VOY timeframe. The first thing he did after Picard was sent to count lights with Madred was... changing the access codes so that Evek or any of the other spoonheads couldn't pull shit on him later with information they tortured out of Picard.
>Janeway
>too moral
Sure, lol.
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They thankfully didn't pull this in Voyager's final battle with the Kazon. When Janeway tried to activate the ship's self-destruct sequence as an absolute last resort to make sure the Kazon couldn't hijack it. Here, they outsmart Voyager not because they knew the override code, but because they had previously attacked part of the ship that contains the secondary command processors, meaning Janeway can't even activate the self-destruct sequence in the first place.
Janeway's morals are like playing a weird game of D&D.
You roll a 1? "Sorry, we have to destroy the one thing capable of getting us back home because of our morals."
You roll a 15? "We're making an alliance with the Borg in order to survive, regardless of our morals."
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Hey, Janeway. You know you could still blow the ship up by shooting the warp core, right? Right?
RIGHT!?
>be Ransom
>roll any random number
>Janeway takes over your ship, because from her perspective it's a day that ends on -y, and the universe only exists to entertain her
>Janeway feeds your crew to the space-rapedolphins you converted into fuel and that's a big no-no for someone who made an alliance with the Borg and fucked over billions of actual people
>Janeway will put some of the survivors of your crew into the space-can forever, because they dared to follow you this far
>have to commit suicide
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more of the hell that is ST:A
Looks like DS9 didn't escape after all as "The Sisko" and what happened to him features in the plot line. I guess the show leader saw that all the other series material had been consumed and so now DS9 is on the menu! When in doubt just start throwing in old character the stupid fans love, that will make them watch us right?
Looks like DS9 didn't escape after all as "The Sisko" and what happened to him features in the plot line. I guess the show leader saw that all the other series material had been consumed and so now DS9 is on the menu! When in doubt just start throwing in old character the stupid fans love, that will make them watch us right?
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And why stop at Sisko when it's not unlikely the Dax-worm is still around somewhere? Why not have a Bashir-EMH or a descendant of Worf they could shit on?
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Don't be giving them idea's son.
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That would be more than any of those idiots ever accomplished.
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Janeway has invented totally unheard-of warp core breaches just because she was bored.
Smashing that self-destruct button like it’s a Dunkin’ rewards app. Didn’t SF Debris have that bit where she self-destructs so often it’s practically a sewer level counter?
Just the laziest clipboard villain imaginable but John Savage delivers the goods. He has that face too. Like he’s been awake for weeks thinking about that one bad decision he made in '68.
He was good in Hair, and he pops up in Twin Peaks for one scene and I’m punching the air like my team just scored.
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Dammit, Jim, I’m a bottom, not a goatfucking Klingon!
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Ransom isn't even a villain in the traditional sense. He's just another guy unlucky enough to run into that bumbling violent psychopath that killed billions and does everything she can to cause chaos and misery where ever she goes. His only "crime" was caring about his crew enough to consider converting rapedolphins into fuel, so that they get home much faster.
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In Janeway’s defense, the Kazon had just barged onto the bridge, so she didn't have time to gun it to engineering.
Less excusable is her crew doing nothing after the Kazon take over and maroon them on a planet. And I don't mean the Kazon beam everyone onto the surface and leave. No, they decide to land Voyager, escort the crew outside, and steal their tech. Nobody even thinks of hiding except the former serial killer.
Best part is her digging through the rulebook to find an excuse to take command of Ransom's crew.
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Janeway should have still be able to call down to Engineering and tell Torres to do whatever it was Kirk told Scotty to do when he had the Enterprise right next to V'Ger if it came down to it. Code 2005 or something. Just blow up the ship. Or order some crewman to detonate a torpedo warhead at zero distance. Or even just throw a dozen handheld phasers on overload throughout the ship. Or just put on a spacesuit and then open every airlock all at once and kill everyone and then detonate the warp core herself.
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VOY Writers: “Is she Kirk this week? Is she Picard?”
Picard would be like, “We must not murder aliens and pour them into our fuel tank,” but Picard wouldn’t even be there. He’d never get stuck in the Delta Quadrant.
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I think they still had 150 people on the Voyager by that time, so the only way the braindead scheme the Kazon had been cooking in their IQ60 brains could have worked is if they somehow overwhelmed all of them at the same time. Which they didn't, as is evidenced by the Cereal Killer™ finding a place to hide. Realistically, you'd have like 3/4 of the crew manning up within five minutes and kicking the ever living piss out of the Kazon and slaughtering them all, also as a mean to make Janeway's skull-throne even bigger.
This gets even more mindboggling if you remember that a good portion of the crew consists of Maquis. You know, people who by that point in time know what it's like to fight against assholes that want to take their stuff. I wonder how the people back on the space mall would handle that stuff...
Oh, that's right, they kicked the shit out of Gowron's troops when they tried to take over DS9.