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FTR, the reviews for Academy are out and so far, only positive one I've seen is from a troon.

Allegedly, the faggy Klingon was raised by the mom... which it's funny in all possible contexts.

Seriously, it's truly bad. But we knew that.

Phillip Green said:
Wasted potential was essentially Voyager's brand
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They were meant to be Lost in Space... in Space and they blew it. They could have definitely hyped the horror side of being stranded away from home with nobody to back them up when they got in serious shit. It happened a few episodes, but they should have kept that as their brand.
 
Phillip Green said:
I have a soft spot for ol' Bobby Beltran, and have sympathy for how pissed off he was at the showrunners. Chakotay could have been a cool character (and I agree would have been better as just a competent, if rebellious, Chicano).
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Beltran probably should’ve kept his mouth shut a little, but he’s also correct that the writing didn’t deliver, and was probably never going to.

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Beltran types are not meant to be leads. Frakes is the better candidate; I can’t think of a bigger brown-noser.
 
Phillip Green said:
and the whole Seven romance they shoehorned in near the end was just fucking gross.
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Agreed, but it didn't have to be. Chakotay was the one who directly freed her from the collective. A competent show (So... not Voyager) could have done something with that. Voyager decided to give them barely any meaningful character interaction for 3+ seasons, and then suddenly 7 has feelings for Choco Taco, and then an episode later they're dating. (And then an episode later, the show's over.)
I'm not gonna blame Voyager for Picard turning 7 into a dyke, but that also doesn't help matters any.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
Allegedly, the faggy Klingon was raised by the mom... which it's funny in all possible contexts.
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Isn't that pretty much the backstory for Alexander? Including the part where he grows up to be a faggy Klingon? They* aren't even original in their faggotry.
 
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Phillip Green said:
I can understand the shit guest role The Rock was given on the show, he's just a lunkhead who UPN wanted to cross-promote. But Jason Alexander was a lifelong trek fan, and all they gave him was a poorly written ass-head alien villain of the week. At least the King of Jordan got to wear a Starfleet uniform on his guest spot.
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Jason Alexander also got to guest star on The Orville since he is also a big fan of the show.
 
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Jeri Ryan is an extremely attractive person, but nearly every time they tried to do “Seven of Nine fanservice,” it was almost heroically unsexy. Absolute cringe from top to bottom, you could make a supercut of all the dumb moments.

I did like it when Janeway’s knocked out and Chakotay’s in charge for five minutes and immediately runs Voyager like everyone's stepdad. And Seven’s just standing there like, "Why is no one in charge? Everyone here is bad their jobs, I hate this ship." It's hysterical, she was barely coming around on Janeway and then Akoocheemoya takes over and it’s, “Oh, so the Captain is a temp position? You can just swap these people out?”, and she short-circuits. “This violates every Borg flowchart I’ve ever seen."

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But having these two fuck was a mistake. It's like Joey and Rachel but Joey dies of loneliness for no reason at the end.
UnKillFill said:
I'm not gonna blame Voyager for Picard turning 7 into a dyke, but that also doesn't help matters any.
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Picard brings her back and they’re like, “Now she’s older, rougher... Ah! She must be queer". :suffering:

Picard didn't know what to do with Ryan apart from Borg trauma and being a thirst trap. Not exactly flattering to the writers. Which is really annoying, because if you’ve seen Bosch you know she can still play sexy and tough.

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All they had to do with Seven was to make her a scientist, someone who is using her Borg knowledge to either help Starfleet to build better defences against them or develop cyber prosthetics for people like Geordi, and show she's now happy and well adapted because that's all what her friends from Voyager wanted for her.
 
Captain Syrup said:
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Jeri Ryan is an extremely attractive person, but nearly every time they tried to do “Seven of Nine fanservice,” it was almost heroically unsexy. Absolute cringe from top to bottom, you could make a supercut of all the dumb moments.
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Obviously not getting a gratuitous sex scene from 7 was sad, but everything sexual being awkward makes sense at least for a while. She has no idea what humanity is so the most complex expression of it is going to be something she doesnt or shouldnt grasp.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Jeri Ryan is an extremely attractive person, but nearly every time they tried to do “Seven of Nine fanservice,” it was almost heroically unsexy. Absolute cringe from top to bottom, you could make a supercut of all the dumb moments.

I did like it when Janeway’s knocked out and Chakotay’s in charge for five minutes and immediately runs Voyager like everyone's stepdad. And Seven’s just standing there like, "Why is no one in charge? Everyone here is bad their jobs, I hate this ship." It's hysterical, she was barely coming around on Janeway and then Akoocheemoya takes over and it’s, “Oh, so the Captain is a temp position? You can just swap these people out?”, and she short-circuits. “This violates every Borg flowchart I’ve ever seen."

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But having these two fuck was a mistake. It's like Joey and Rachel but Joey dies of loneliness for no reason at the end.
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I may be in the minority, but I think Seven actually saved the show -- not because of the Berman TnA requirement, but because she gave the writers something to actually work with. The show actually became mostly watchable after she showed up. I don't know how anybody stayed with it when the stories focused on Ocampa jailbait and Kazon shit-hairs.

She was super powerful, but also broken, naive, and vulnerable. Captured as a toddler and traumatically borgified, she was then dropped back among humans with limited coping ability. Essentially still a child. A character so easy to write for that even Bryan Fuller couldn't fuck it up.

Her friendship with Naomi Wildman and Neelix's grooming make this childlike status clear. The maternal relationship with Janeway (despite what a cunt Mulgrew was to Ryan behind the scenes) humanized the Tuvix murdering coffee-addled captain and gave the otherwise lazy Borg storyline of the last three seasons some actual depth.

She's emotionally a 10 year old, at best, despite the catsuit. Maybe they could have continued the awkward middle school crush stuff with Kim (hey, Harry earned it, unlike that promotion!), but the Chakotay shipping was just wrong. It would be like Riker actually trying to fuck Data's daughter in that one episode. Gross.
 
Something I noticed about Voyager while watching it directly after binging TNG: they would essentially remake TNG episodes but far dumber .
 
I may be in the minority, but I think Seven actually saved the show
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VOY's one of those shows where everyone waits for someone with a ring light to tell them what to think. "Oh, I guess I hate it again this year.” Seven is the one constant. Nobody flips on Seven. That’s like saying “actually the show was better when it sucked ass.” (Kes has her defenders, but that's about it as far as hot takes go.)



She’s like half emotionally stunted child, half terrifying computer that could kill you and feel nothing. In the broad sense Star Trek still behaves like a Lucasfilm IP money printer that has never made a mistake and therefore can never admit to wrongdoing, however there were constant murmurs about VOY getting canceled, and those stopped in season four after Seven joined.
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What did she do?
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There was a bit of a power struggle happening on set, the trade papers were like, “these two are beefing,” but Paramount is like, “Gene taught us how to confidently lie our asses off for years."

JR danced around the topic, she wouldn't say who, but someone was mad Jeri was getting close-ups, and it’s like, okay, let’s play Clue. Who on VOY has enough power to kick the makeup crew out of the room? Well... “Computer, delete this Nazi Barbie from my bridge.”

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Mulgrew says everything was fine, but that's her job. She gives these interviews where she’s like, “Oh, Jeri and I had such respect for each other,” and if you didn’t know all the gossip you’d almost be taken aback by her apparent sincerity.
 
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74164978231 said:
What did she do?
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Mulgrew resented the hell out of Ryan's addition to the show, and essentially bullied her on set. Most notably by trying to isolate her from other cast members and convincing producers to limit her breaks or limiting the amount of time she could spend out of her catsuit and heels during filming, which was miserable for Ryan. She has since acknowledged and apologized for said cuntery.

Of course Ryan caused issues of her own. For instance she started dating showrunner Brannon Braga after her divorce from Jack Ryan in 1999, causing friction with many other members of the cast.

An interesting aside is that this same Jack Ryan went on to become the Republican senate candidate for Illinois in 2004. During the campaign, unsealed records from his divorce from Jeri showed that he was a frequent visitor (with his then wife) of weird sex clubs in multiple cities. He was disgraced and his opponent easily won the election. That opponent was named Barack Hussein Obama.

Thanks Jeri....

Captain Syrup said:
She’s like half emotionally stunted child, half terrifying computer that could kill you and feel nothing. In the broad sense Star Trek still behaves like a Lucasfilm IP money printer that has never made a mistake and therefore can never admit to wrongdoing, however there were constant murmurs about VOY getting canceled, and those stopped in season four after Seven joined.
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I guess the point I'm trying to make is it wasn't the catsuit that saved the show, as much as the media (and much of the cast) insisted that was the big change. It didn't hurt, but fundamentally it was the character and story changes. During the show's run when I was a straight teenage boy, and honestly it was hard to care much about the hotness of the new blonde on TV when the Internet, and it's endless supply of boobs, was increasingly available (although TBH, I'm more a B'Ellana guy).
 
An interesting aside is that this same Jack Ryan went on to become the Republican senate candidate for Illinois in 2004. During the campaign, unsealed records from his divorce from Jeri showed that he was a frequent visitor (with his then wife) of weird sex clubs in multiple cities. He was disgraced and his opponent easily won the election.
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I remember when every hot savvy woman thought, “I’m gonna marry a senator,” like they were Jackie O, then suddenly they all said, "actually that was a mistake, I should have married a celebrity chef", and they did. Big upgrade.:story:
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
All they had to do with Seven was to make her a scientist, someone who is using her Borg knowledge to either help Starfleet to build better defences against them or develop cyber prosthetics for people like Geordi, and show she's now happy and well adapted because that's all what her friends from Voyager wanted for her.
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Nope. Women aren't allowed to be scientists. They need to be girlbosses in charge of everyone else.
 
All this tiddy talk...I'm watching Enterprise again and the D-con chamber scenes just terrible, especially when they zoom on Jolene Blalock's ass and fake tiddies, cream me up daddy-o. I don't know, I think sexy and Star Trek just doesn't work and never will.
I'm not a feminist or some shit (good god), but even back then I thought the whole Seven of Nine thing in skintight clothes was too much on the nose, same with Troi's onesie's back in TNG. I prefer my professionals to dress...professionally I suppose. Best thing Jellico did was putting her in a proper uniform.
Otherwise I still enjoy ENT and I think it gets a bad rep for trivial reasons for the most part.

Voyager's problem is after Seven joined the show it really became the Seven of Nine show for the most part and at least for me, I don't think she isn't all that great of a character, though I admit she did get slightly better later on.
 
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Van Darkholme said:
All this tiddy talk...I'm watching Enterprise again and the D-con chamber scenes just terrible, especially when they zoom on Jolene Blalock's ass and fake tiddies, cream me up daddy-o. I don't know,
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The most memorable thing about Trek is the bimbos, we know this, can’t act shocked when they show you a Vulcan with big cans. We explore strange new worlds… and also the camera explores T'pol 's ass crack.

The problem is it’s so obviously "Remember Seven of Nine? What if we did that again?" Jeri Ryan took what should’ve been the embarrassing fanservice character and made her cool and interesting. What if we just do the outfit and none of the acting?

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No, trust us, this is complex.
 
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On Robert Duncan McNeill and Garrett Wang's Voyager podcast, they regularly make fun of the generic Native American sound cues that tend to play whenever there's a focus on Chakotay.
 
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