Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Dante Alighieri]

It's gotta be considered iconoclasm at this point, right? Like the writers only watched a few TNG or OG episodes, saw the movies, and said okay great, I do what I want, don't give a fuck, sprinkle some memberberries to make the above-average fan soyface here and there.

Do you think they actually intentionally watched the show in preparation? I bet they skimmed the wiki.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

As a nerd myself I have to clarify a bit that, while Gene's vision that humans have progressed and got rid of so many negative aspects, we didn't completely get rid of human nature. So, yeah, we've had instances of characters talking about bullying or being bullied. The fact Wesley was taken by some elite group talks that we haven't got rid of elitism, for example. And kids were annoyed by Alexander and Lal. I mean, humans haven't stopped being humans, but we approach it differently. Top of my head, we have Robert's resentment over Jean-Luc, Riker's father being a terrible parent, etc. That added more character to the characters and I think it was a good development after the First Season.

Thing is, I mean SFA is projecting current day bullying, rather than how this would be addressed in the future and with the intention of simply make a point that "bullying is wrong!"

It's gotta be considered iconoclasm at this point, right?

"Secular blasphemy", as Rich Evans said.

Like the writers only watched a few TNG or OG episodes, saw the movies, and said okay great, I do what I want, don't give a fuck, sprinkle some memberberries to make the above-average fan soyface here and there.

They've only read the wiki entries or watched the memes. There is a lot of evidence that proves that they haven't really watched any episode. Like how Mike Stoklasa said that the writers only know what Jay knows: Borg, Data, "set phasers to stun", Grey Earl".

 

[NSA]

I can't make myself watch this trash. STA is just mentally ill people in a writers room somewhere confessing all their illnesses. I'm not a therapist. They'd at least have to pay me.

In this dark time of retardation and perversion, this is a good time to bring up one of my favorite childhood movies/honorary Star Trek film.
No, not Galaxy Quest, I'm talking about The Final Countdown.
I'm sure a lot of people have seen this one, because it's a classic, but if you haven't and you like Star Trek, you should really watch it to wash the garbage out of your eyes.
Some insane lunatic uploaded the entire movie on Youtube dot com, so you got no excuse, watch it before it gets removed:

Reasons to watch it:
-It's a brisk 100 minutes long.
-Great actors
-All real in-camera shots, super authentic because the navy let them shoot on the actual ship.
-It has the 'competence porn' of TNG, as Rich Evans calls it.
-Interesting sci-fi premise and moral dilemma.
-This is essentially a Star Trek movie in tone.
-It has a perfect time-loop plot without any ridiculous plot holes.
-Amazing soundtrack. (No, the famous song by the same name is not in the movie. The movie predates it by six years.)
-There is a good boy.
-F-14 Tomcat
-There are no homos talking about their butts or whatever.

I will now give my spoiler thoughts on this 46-year-old movie:

Spoiler: Watch the movie first, you piece of shit

The big mystery of the movie is the time vortex, which is never explained. Leaving it mysterious is definitely the right choice, it's like Groundhog Day. Explaining why it happens would just make the experience less magical. The only hint about the nature of the vortex is that it actually chases after the ship. My personal interpretation is that the vortex has to happen to allow Dick to go back in time and build the Nimitz class. It must happen, so it does. In this case, the time loop is needed to prevent a time paradox from happening.

Remember when we just assumed people would keep making good movies and TV? Crazy.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It looks like a giant space vagina.

Um, the proper term is "skygina", buddy.

Things is about the Andorians and Tellarites assholeness, is they're honest about it and who they are in the what you see is what you get. Which fits in well with humans assholeness and temperament.

There's an early episode of Prodigy where the hologram Janeway (based on the real deal) endears herself to the Tellarite Jankom Pog with a light jest.

The lawyers and torturers always have the best scenes. They love speaking in those five-dollar words. And all of them insist that they hate violence!

I actually brought up the Cardassian legal system in a criminal justice class today when we discussed rule by law.

So that’s the planet we exiled all of the Bostonians to? Good to know!

Hey, I'm from Massachusetts, and I'm offende--okay yeah, that's fair.

Im just gobsmacked that they managed to make Discovery look like TNG by comparison.

Say what you will about Tilly, but she at least seemed like a cadet fresh out of the academy who wanted to prove herself. Can you see the other cadets in Academy serving on a starship?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Say what you will about Tilly,

Im just gobsmacked that they managed to make Discovery look like TNG by comparison.

STD is the worst of the Nu series by far. I would rather shoot myself. The bullet has less runtime and better pacing.

 

[Miller]

Do you think they actually intentionally watched the show in preparation? I bet they skimmed the wiki.

Or asked ChatGPT.

 

[Phillip Green]

Say what you will about Tilly, but she at least seemed like a cadet fresh out of the academy who wanted to prove herself. Can you see the other cadets in Academy serving on a starship?

Honestly, when STD started Tilly was an unobjectionable character. She lacked confidence, was terrified, but was also excited about being in Starfleet and eager to climb the ranks. Sure, we learned too much about her mommy issues and hair management, but she was actually useful, competently helping Stamets manage his GRIDS induced fungal infection. She could have been the show's Chekov.

Instead, as she became a larger part of the show (both figuratively and literally) Michael Sue took her under her wing and she became just another way for the show to randomly shout "❤︎⁠︎⁠We Are STARFLEET(TM)!︎❤︎⁠" and "I Fucking Love Science!!!" while crying. And then they made her captain of the ship for an episode, over dozens of more qualified officers, for no reason. This allowed them to do some more crying. It was some great writing and character development.

STD is the worst of the Nu series by far. I would rather shoot myself. The bullet has less runtime and better pacing.

This is like comparing types of rectal cancer, but as bad as STD was, I was able to get through most of the first two seasons before I bailed. I lasted a total of 1.5 episodes of Picard.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Hey, I'm from Massachusetts, and I'm offende--okay yeah, that's fair.

Taking it rather well now knowing Tellarites are the Bostonians final form.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Can you see the other cadets in Academy serving on a starship?

They built em tougher in the old days



So I've been running an experiment, in a half-arsed sort of way. When the third season of Picard came out and they had that memberberries scene of the big D doing its thing, I felt it was pretty engaging. But I've re-watched it a few times, and each time it's felt less and less... solid. More superficial. I compare it to the launch of the Enterprise in (shockingly enough) the Wrath of Khan*, or stealing the enterprise in Search for Spock (which the Picard scene references heavily), or even the fan recreation of ST6's leaving spacedock, and find it wanting. Each of those sequences are rewarding on rewatch; they feel better each time, like chewing on a nice, tender steak (or a portobello mushroom for our vegetarian friends). Picard just felt like a rehash, much as I wanted to enjoy seeing the old girl go out for one last jaunt. No re-watchability. Lower Decks had more staying power.

*Yes, I know this is just a re-hash of the sequence from TMP, but the bridge scenes project more verisimilitude, with actual procedures and check-lists and such, rather than just "press a button and go".

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

And then they made her captain of the ship for an episode, over dozens of more qualified officers, for no reason. This allowed them to do some more crying.

There are parts of Discovery I am willing to defend, but this is not even close to one of those. Even if Saru wanted to give Tilly a shot at command to help her get used to future assignments, trusting an Ensign to watch over what was easily the most valuable ship in Starfleet after the Burn while he and his ex-First Officer go off on a mission is next-level stupid. It also wastes time on developing the arc of Burnham proving she's ready to take over as Captain of the Discovery by the end of the season.

Taking it rather well now knowing Tellarites are the Bostonians final form.

I know how obnoxious my people can be, and I've made peace with it.

Picard just felt like a rehash, much as I wanted to enjoy seeing the old girl go out for one last jaunt.

It felt like they just wanted to take a mulligan with the Enterprise-D after the embarrassing way she went out in Generations.

 

[Cactuar King]

It felt like they just wanted to take a mulligan with the Enterprise-D after the embarrassing way she went out in Generations.

Betazoid pilots, amirite?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

My dad grew up watching Star Trek. I recently discovered that Shari Lewis (Patron Saint of Ventriloquism and one of the Saints of children's educational television) wrote an episode?! And Lucille Ball was the one who either greenlit the show, or she pushed for CBS to air it.

I just think that's neat. (BTW the Shari Lewis documentary is fantastic)

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So it turns out she worked on The Lights of Zetar episode of Star Trek.

the one where the thing is inside the person and controlling them

 

[greenthrowaway]

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were already renewed and started pre production for S2. Of course, they still could just halt it and can it, like it happened with Blade movie.

I give it a bit of chance of being real because the backlash has been terrible and this product is way, way worse than Discovery and Picard. It's shameful to be associated with the ST brand.

Renewals are now 100% artificial for press releases. About a decade ago the one season one year ordered in advance went away externally. There are shows where they’ll make 12 episodes for an order. Six teams will work on their episodes in the front half, and when complete move on to their second. When episode 1 is out, the second half of the order will begin production and they’ll make a big announcement how the show was “renewed.” This is when the show runner will go on twitter and be hostile to the audience and then the cherry picked worst replies will be used for articles by their press contacts to show how they are being harassed by the old fans but it’s super duper popular hence why they were renewed . This is why shows like Velma were renewed. No executives said hey we want more of this, they already ordered it and they released it before the rest of the order was completed.

Hollywood used to have box office, ratings, and reviews that were semi reliable but now unless you are an insider everything you read or hear about a production is astroturfed. Awards, reviews, ratings, renewals are equivalent to celeb gossip, a manufactured for attention industry with little basis in reality.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

This is like comparing types of rectal cancer, but as bad as STD was, I was able to get through most of the first two seasons before I bailed. I lasted a total of 1.5 episodes of Picard.

Jason Issacs carried the first season of STD on his back. He wasn't even that great in it, it's just that the rest of the cast were so unlikeable.

Academy is far worse performance wise. I know that Holly Hunter can act, I have even seen her act in things and liked her performance, yet she is almost unwatchable in this.

 

[Eventide]

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, the Cardassians are always the best characters.

Cardassian characters are usually entertaining 'cause they're snarky/narcissistic. I automatically assumed that'd be too difficult of a task for this show's writers/they'd just make Cardassian characters selfish & awful. I mean, the writers can barely get Vulcans right,

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Can you see the other cadets in Academy serving on a starship?

I don't, and I don't think they do either. If there is something I've learned from most progressives, is that they want to be perpetual students because it's a sorta safe space for them. That's why they're obsessed with education and schools, aside from the aesthetic. Most people want to graduate and never think about school. These people can't.

 

[Preferred Penne]

I hope the next season of Starfleet Academy is about the entire galaxy being threatened by a fat orange alien dictator named P'Murt, who employs a legion of assassins known as the Ethnic Cleansing Initiative (ECI).

P'Murt and ECI are not actual threats and are easily defeated on a weekly basis by a series of wacky quips, one-liners, and heckin' wholesome teamwork. Then P'Murt poops in his diapie and says "I'll get you next time, Starfleet! NEXT TIIIIME!!!"

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Jason Issacs carried the first season of STD on his back. He wasn't even that great in it, it's just that the rest of the cast were so unlikeable.

First impression I had of Michael Burham was she was a total racist. Her answer to the Klingons is to shoot them first, claiming that's what Vulcans do. She then mutinied based on that prejudice and the show insists she was in the right to do so.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

When she found out that Gene had sneaked in his mistress on the show after she wanted her gone (she was Number One in the pilot) she had to be talked down from kicking the whole production out of her studio.

And thank God for that considering Majel became the lynch pin for the entire franchise. I love Lwaxana Troi so much. It is no coincidence that Star Trek has been absolute dogshit since the death of Majel Barrett.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

TOS was filmed on her studio's set. She nearly killed the show actually, her husband was a notorious cheat and thus she hated cheaters. When she found out that Gene had sneaked in his mistress on the show after she wanted her gone (she was Number One in the pilot) she had to be talked down from kicking the whole production out of her studio.

That's understandable. It's good she didn't cancel it. There is correspondence between her and Gene in UCLA archives where she congratulates him on the success of the show.

I've been trying to to figure out if the og cast got along in real life. I know Shatner drove everyone nuts. I know Nimoy and he butted heads (ego problems?).