Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Rykel22 said:
On explosions on screen, writers and fx guys can't really show the full scale of the boom, because there goes the budget for the next 10 years. And even with the showed blasts and only reacting the active fuel, think about the number of warp capable ships that would be in orbit of any major planet. The amount of EMP producing rads and debris should have rendered them dead worlds.
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Maybe.

1 kg of AM annihilating perfectly can produce a theoretical ~43 megaton equivalent (again, I'm basing this off of an AI summary, so grain of salt).

According to Brave Search's built in AI (for what it's worth), a full annihilation of 260,000 kg of anti-matter (520,000 kg worth of total mass-energy including the corresponding regular matter) would result in a roughly 11 teratons of TNT equivalent. I'd note that the Galaxy class is a very large ship meant for long range exploration, so would have more fuel than most.

But even a much smaller fuel supply would result in a truly epic explosion, compared with the roughly 50 megatons of Tsar Bomba. Also, keep in mind that geological natural disasters can be significantly more energetic. For instance, the dinosaur killer impact is estimated at ~100 teratons.

However, the EMPs and gamma rays from any multi-teraton A/M orbital explosion in orbit would be at least a minor extinction event.

But if we accept my magically sturdy fuel storage containers, the hypothetical effects on-planet would depend on how many ships are in orbit, how much AM is in their systems when they're idling in orbit, and their orbital altitude (radiation, inverse square law, etc.).

You can easily plug in values here that make this a planetary sterilization event. All I'm trying to autistically say is that I can also come up with some assumptions and hand-wavium that make the event at least survivable for a planetary civilization.

But still, fuck the burn. It's not canon.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Yes, every single device powered by dilithium not only stopped working but exploded. Which means that even small shuttlecraft exploded. And all the replicators you would need to recover from that kind of destruction? Also powered by dilithium. Utterly nonsensical plot device.
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Erm ackshually dilithium is not really the power source, it's what helps stabilize the matter and anti-matter to maintain the warp. Even with that, like @Phillip Green said, the warp core wouldn't have the capability to destroy a planet or an entire system. I think they showed on VOY the crew ejecting the warp core from the ship before exploding but not to the magnitude implied in Kurtzman Trek, at best they could destroy a ship following them or some shit like that.
Impulse engines don't rely on dilithium to work, I believe on ENT they were using plasma. Also how come nobody came up with a new way of travelling faster than light after The Burn™? It's like the galaxy got frozen in time until the kween Burnham arrived.

King Dead said:
I dunno if people have come up with a better term for it, but I think "therapy writing" (more accurately "therapyspeak writing," though that's more cumbersome to say) is a good way to describe this method of how modern Hollywood writes things.
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That's a pretty good term. It's very present in this show with Captain Footfhag bringing up empathy every time she opens her mouth. I'm sure she says other things but it's hard to understand with her denture.

There's nothing wrong with using personal experiences to inform your writing. Hell, I'd say it's pretty normal to draw from life experience for any creative work. "Write what you know," and all that. The thing is, you need to then weave those experiences into your story in a natural way. This is especially true for corporate work, but even if it's not, you still want your story to appeal to a wide swath of people, and the best way to do that is to make the story easily relatable. For just one example, the hero's journey, a structure that anyone can understand and get into.
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Write what you know is the basis but [current year] writers can't do that because they don't have an actual living experience. They all come from the same place, with the same ideas, world views, etc. they never had a real job other than blogging or working at a Starbucks near a Hollywood studio. All their writing knowledge come from watching sitcoms, Joss Whedon productions and the rest of the pop culture. Roddenberry and the other writers have seen shit, they have been to war. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking them to go die in a forever war but to at least talk to people who have a life, veterans, scientists, engineers, so they could have some material that would fit the type of show they are writing scripts for.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Like imagine how fucked we would be if suddenly tomorrow the only method of transportation possible was walking. No bikes, no cars, no planes, etc. The majority of the planet's population would be dead in weeks. The Burn would be like that on a galactic scale.
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Not really with how replicators work. It's still a post scarcity society despite what the writers try. No one is trading essentials in universe just entertainment and very specific materials almost used exclusively for star ships.

Its a issue but its not going to make any individual plant die.
 
King Dead said:
they see it as an opportunity to get paid to work out all their "demons" (read: they got made fun of once in school or their parents made them go to church or something else entirely mundane and stupid to get hung up on) and have pretty actors play their self-inserts and live vicariously through them fixing all their past regrets
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One problem with your theory: these people hire the most disgusting, ugly creatures to play their self-inserts.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I didn't even think about that. They used artificial singularities to power their warp drives. Apparently the writers didn't remember either.
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Miller said:
Erm ackshually dilithium is not really the power source, it's what helps stabilize the matter and anti-matter to maintain the warp.
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These two points are more infuriating the more you think about them. Zephram Cochrane didn't have a M/AM reactor powering the phoenix. Dilithium ≠ warp drive. Anti-matter ≠ warp drive. You need some magic space plasma powering some magic space coils to create the magic subspace fields that warp space.

It may have been less efficient than M/AM, but the Romulans were getting by just fine with their singularity engines. Maybe they phased it out before they supposedly merged with the Vulcans, but they wouldn't have forgotten how it all worked.

And there's been a number of alternative FTL technologies shown in multiple Trek series. In the 24th century, they had problems controlling the Soliton Wave, but even that failure proved the concept, and centuries of follow-on research should have made it workable. Voyager had already figured out how to use the Borg transwarp conduit network, and reverse engineering that would have been another approach. Hell, Starfleet was supposed to have ships with time drives over a hundred years before this Burn bullshit. I know there's more examples--these were just what immediately popped into mind.

Even worse, there's plenty of lore-friendly ways to make a Burn-like event happen. Have someone detonate a bunch of Omega molecules around known space. Or have space hippies wreck subspace as a gay environmental protest. Any casual fan could come up with dozens of member-berry ways to fuck up the galaxy.

NuTrek's producers and writers couldn't be bothered to watch even a small sampling of the old shows. I suppose there weren't enough weeping gay brown people to keep their interest.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
I'm curious, the original series in reruns uses what I can only describe as an updated opening from the 90s (?) so was there an original one?
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Yeah, TOS was "remastered" between 2006-2008. But unlike the excellent later TNG remaster, I definitely prefer the unremastered version of TOS.

They replaced most of the spaceship scenes with crappy CGI (why it looks "90s") and added a bunch of other updated special effects that tend to be jarring compared to the original low-tech effects. The live action scenes are a lot sharper because they rescanned most of the original film, but this isn't really a benefit, as it just allows you to see how bad the theatrical lighting and makeup was on 60's TV shows. The original version is lower def and in many ways looks crappy, but it gels together much more coherently aesthetically.

Unfortunately, the remastered version is currently the default on most TV networks and streaming services, although I think Amazon Prime Video has the original untouched version as an option. Only other way to get it is the old colored plastic shell DVDs or the newer Bluray release, or of course by hitting up the high seas.
 
I just bought TAS on blu ray, I will subject myself to early 1970's jank animation soon, I've only ever seen one or two episodes out of only 22 episodes anyway.

Also I'm convinced that series is responsible for the early proto-furries thanks to M'Ress.
 
Welf Welf said:
One problem with your theory: these people hire the most disgusting, ugly creatures to play their self-inserts.
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In order to write a self-insert, you need to possess a self. Some kind of inner life. And yet there’s no evidence any of that exists here.

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Welf Welf said:
One problem with your theory: these people hire the most disgusting, ugly creatures to play their self-inserts.
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Well, ideally they'd prefer their author avatars to be pretty so they can fantasize about also being attractive while having all their perceived problems work themselves out magically, but unfortunately for them, modern Hollywood woke casting and/or costuming and makeup get in the way. While the writers want their characters to be beautiful because it's their fantasy, the casting department is obsessed with making everything ugly because they hate the chud audience and want them to suffer. Maybe the main character and love interest will be reasonably attractive because you gotta market somebody, but even then, the wardrobe, makeup, lighting, or VFX will make them look worse than they should.

So really, in the end, nobody gets what they want, unless they want to make a show that shows utter contempt for its audience, and one that nobody will watch. In that case, great job!
 
Phillip Green said:
These two points are more infuriating the more you think about them. Zephram Cochrane didn't have a M/AM reactor powering the phoenix. Dilithium ≠ warp drive. Anti-matter ≠ warp drive. You need some magic space plasma powering some magic space coils to create the magic subspace fields that warp space.
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yeah this bugs me a lot
pretty much every series has at least one episode with "oh wow these guys are at warp with a method very different from our Federation XXlithiums"

and the worst part is it would have made for a great hook, the Federation is trying to rebuild, basically everybody else has their own shit, Pakleds are looking mighty full of things to make you go they've collected
 
Geez, watching the reactions to Academy episode 4 makes me want to cry.

For a cleanser, 5 minutes of DS9 that is superior to the entire Academy episode in every way.

Man, can you imagine had they gone with a full blooded Jem'hadar for like... head of the War Academy and had him be a like friendly antagonist for the season? This show is not only made by committee, but it's made by a committee making EVERY possible wrong choice.

This is what happens when you don't respect continuity. This is what happens when you start valuing change and shake up for its own sake instead of thinking about it as another tool to be utilized.
 
Van Darkholme said:
I just bought TAS on blu ray, I will subject myself to early 1970's jank animation soon, I've only ever seen one or two episodes out of only 22 episodes anyway.
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I showed it to my dad, who was a Star Trek fan and never heard of it, he liked it.
Van Darkholme said:
Also I'm convinced that series is responsible for the early proto-furries thanks to M'Ress.
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Disney's robin hood came out the same year and furries care more about mainstream shit aimed at children than a Star Trek spin off, tho I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone had their furry awakening due to the redshirt lion.
Also I'm pretty sure furries predates written history itself, considering that there's cave art depicting a fat, greasy bearded man wearing a deer skin complete with genitals and horns.


So... Is kurtzmann trek completely unsalvageable or there's something salvageable, aside of picard s3?
 
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Strangolapreti said:
I showed it to my dad, who was a Star Trek fan and never heard of it, he liked it.

Disney's robin hood came out the same year and furries care more about mainstream shit aimed at children than a Star Trek spin off, tho I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone had their furry awakening due to the redshirt lion.
Also I'm pretty sure furries predates written history itself, considering that there's cave art depicting a fat, greasy bearded man wearing a deer skin complete with genitals and horns.


So... Is kurtzmann trek completely unsalvageable or there's something salvageable, aside of picard s3?
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No, all of his garbage needs to be thanos snapped out of existence even picard season 3.
 
Strangolapreti said:
So... Is kurtzmann trek completely unsalvageable or there's something salvageable, aside of picard s3?
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They raped TOS, they raped TNG, they raped VOY, they will rape DS9, and they surely will rape ENT. And you ask if the people responsible somehow should get an out of jail card? How compelling, please face the wall.
 
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