Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Phillip Green]

It's basically Family Guy for Trek nerds. For better or worse. "You recognize this, right?"

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Oh yeah, the hot chocolate lady, sick pull.

I can't believe myself, but I'll actually defend Lower Deck's writing a bit.

The cameos and references were near constant, but, unlike with Family Guy they were usually integrated into the story. Captain "spills her drink" was a character integrated into the plot, and not just an excuse to pad show-time with a 70 seconds flashback of that one time Peter was sodomized by the Dalai Lama behind a San Antonio Circle K.

The constant callbacks, stunt voices, and memba-berry fan service could be a little too cute for it's own good, but this was an honestly nostalgia-baiting spoof show, after all.

And unlike the rest of the NuTrek shows, there were actual plots. And actual characters. And those characters actually developed over the course of the show. Most of it was silly Rick and Morty Reddit faggotry, but it's still the best written show of the rotten bunch.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's incredibly annoying. It becomes very obviously quickly that the writers went through all the old series and made notes on stuff to reference. None of it comes organically and each episode is full of "HEY REMEMBER THIS? That's the joke!" I cant stand it.

I disagree. It's clearly fanfiction, by people who loved what they're copying. They are not remotely on the level of the old-school writers, but they love it and they try, and that's what matters about it in comparison to everything else. You can dislike it, hate it even, because even the best fanfiction is terrible amateur rubbish, but it is miles and away superior to the kurtzman slop that is discovery and all its spin-offs.

Except that one crossover episode of lower decks and strange new worlds. It's like a twinkie; you know it's terrible for you, every aspect of it is basically manufactured to stimulate the very worst addictive responses in your brain, and every single ingredient is probably banned for any other use, but right at that moment it's just good, you know?

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

So... Is kurtzmann trek completely unsalvageable or there's something salvageable, aside of picard s3?

Absolutely nothing, and that's honestly really sad. As awful as the Star Wars sequels were, Rogue One and Andor were decently liked by the fans it seems (not everyone, I know, but some at least). We got absolutely nothing out of it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5r6H0fka8Arnok, on the night of his joining.

... okay, maybe one thing.

Try as I might, I cannot bring myself to hate Lower Decks now I have watched more of it. Not perfect by any means, but it tried at least.

It's basically Family Guy for Trek nerds. For better or worse. "You recognize this, right?"

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Oh yeah, the hot chocolate lady, sick pull.

It's something at least. I will happily take writers playing the 'member berries card over writers that are actively trying to not only destroy, but utterly ruin, the cannon.

 

[din365]

so, on the brighter side of starfleet academy, it gives a cannonical reason why so many red shirts get killed in the previous shows:
they recruit fat gay retards, have them trained by other fat gay retards, then sent into space that doesn't care if they are fat gay retards and inevitable get slaughtered by some alien that doesn't give a shit about any of that.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's basically Family Guy for Trek nerds. For better or worse. "You recognize this, right?"

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Oh yeah, the hot chocolate lady, sick pull.

Sometimes, the callbacks work, like showing what happened to Ensign Gomez since TNG forgot about her. Other times, it's just pointing out things Trekkies have already discussed, like pointing out how Nick Locarno looks just like Tom Paris and calling that a joke.

 

[CervixHammer]

Another thing about the Klingons: why would their homeworld be affected by The Burn? There's no dilithium on Qo'noS, that's why they mine asteroids or establish colonies like Rura Penthe, right?

The exact line (it was a Space CNN broadcast about the crashed Klingon refugee ship) was "After the Burn caused dilithium reactors on Qo'nos and other worlds to explode, billions perished. Now, one of the most powerful races sits on the brink of extinction."
So I guess they were using warp cores as their power grid? (Also "most powerful races"? Very Star Trek language there. )

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

The exact line (it was a Space CNN broadcast about the crashed Klingon refugee ship) was "After the Burn caused dilithium reactors on Qo'nos and other worlds to explode, billions perished. Now, one of the most powerful races sits on the brink of extinction."
So I guess they were using warp cores as their power grid? (Also "most powerful races"? Very Star Trek language there. )

The warp core of the Enterprise-D had a nameplate capacity of 12.75 exawatts. You can certainly power an entire planet with just one of those fuckers. The question is why should you unless you don't need to? So what the hell were the Klingons doing and what did they need that much juice for?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It's basically Family Guy for Trek nerds. For better or worse. "You recognize this, right?"

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Oh yeah, the hot chocolate lady, sick pull.

Starfleet Corps Of Engineers books featured her, she ends up on a ship with a jew captain who's wife is a rabbi, a bynar, a tellarite, a mobster planet guy, a bug from that TAS episode
eventually Scotty shows up and they get to be there for one of the non-shat borg origins

 

[Whiskey]

Why would anyone transport grain if they could just magic it out of the air?

The in lore explanation is that replicator food tastes "fake" while it has flavor and nutrients its of lesser quality in terms of taste. There are other goods I'm recalling now they can't replicate... Know there is a medical gel in ds9 mentioned.

There are things they trade but not out of need for basic necessities. Least till they retcon it.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

The warp core of the Enterprise-D had a nameplate capacity of 12.75 exawatts. You can certainly power an entire planet with just one of those fuckers. The question is why should you unless you don't need to? So what the hell were the Klingons doing and what did they need that much juice for?

It's worse in Star Wars when the pre-Disney EU writers started trying to square the circle in making SW tech realistic and explaining what doesn't need to be explained. Especially with their power generation, hypermatter storage and annihilation. Star Trek at the moment is still keeping to using its made up elements, science, esoteric weapons and most importantly technobabble.

 

[mr_negativity]

I watched the first episode of Star Fleet Academy. Watching the speech impedimented Helen Hunt mugging at the camera, talking out of the corner of her mouth, making wild gesticulated poses whenever sitting or laying on a piece of furniture reminded me of Amy Sedaris playing Jerri Blank on Strangers with Candy.

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

Going back on replicator versus real food. You then have Voyager where Neelix's cooking is so foreign and weird that most people prefer replicated food over the slop he feeds them and replicator rations are treated like gold plated latinum.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I watched the first episode of Star Fleet Academy. Watching the speech impedimented Helen Hunt mugging at the camera,

She acted harder when got assassinated by a mason jar full of piss. That was like her Oscar reel compared to this show.

The correct move was to cast her as some evil space principal who just hates everybody. Let her bully the crew, call them idiots, steal every scene. Instead they make her the hippie teacher or whatever. Get out of my school, Rod!

Going back on replicator versus real food. You then have Voyager where Neelix's cooking is so foreign and weird that most people prefer replicated food over the slop he feeds them and replicator rations are treated like gold plated latinum.

 

[Whiskey]

Going back on replicator versus real food. You then have Voyager where Neelix's cooking is so foreign and weird that most people prefer replicated food over the slop he feeds them and replicator rations are treated like gold plated latinum.

I think that's from the voyager constantly scavenging for supplies (least in the early season). They were conserving power for a 30 year journey?

Sure the exact number is off but was the justification

 

[Iron Jaguar]

when Quark gives a typically Ferengi money-obsessed eulogy, and yet somehow while quoting the Rules Of Acquisition he manages to actually say something pretty nice.

Quark is a very well-written character. I like how the Ferengi are mostly played by notably Jewish actors. I guess they had a lot to draw on.

I didn't particularly like DS9 as a series but it did have some of the strongest character development overall. Garak was superb.

Edit: way too many of you need to learn the difference between cannon and canon.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Quark is a very well-written character. I like how the Ferengi are mostly played by notably Jewish actors. I guess they had a lot to draw on.

I didn't particularly like DS9 as a series but it did have some of the strongest character development overall. Garak was superb.

If you go back to season one of DS9 it’s so obvious the writers were like, “Uh, we need one lizard to represent Space CIA and another lizard to represent Space Pentagon." One hundred percent. But the actors showed up and they were way too good for the job.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

Never mind that, can you imagine them writing this?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=R4226lBJ_qI(I keep coming back to this scene. It's the epitome of TNG as far as I'm concerned)

And the antitheses of modern trek. It’s a frank, professional discussion between adults that handles an interpersonal conflict. There’s no infantile meltdowns or snarky comebacks or pointless vulgarity. Given a full calendar year I am positive the modern writers could not write that two minute scene.

 

[Bâtard Consanguine]

Sometimes, the callbacks work, like showing what happened to Ensign Gomez since TNG forgot about her. Other times, it's just pointing out things Trekkies have already discussed, like pointing out how Nick Locarno looks just like Tom Paris and calling that a joke.

Is there a reason why Tom Paris wasn't just rewritten as Nick Locarno when they cast the same actor and they were basically the same character anyway (disgraced Starfleet pilot savant)? Paris' dad being an admiral barely ever came up in Voyager, and was irrelevant with them being stranded on the other side of the galaxy anyway.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. It was a royalties dispute. Fucking gay.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Paris' dad being an admiral barely ever came up in Voyager, and was irrelevant with them being stranded on the other side of the galaxy anyway.

Janeway was a nepo baby, too.



Wait, why was Tom in prison again? He was piloting a shuttle and blasting Smash Mouth and somebody got hurt. And Janeway needs him to catch Chakotay for some reason? That’s the part which makes no sense. Tuvok is literally right there undercover.

The funniest detail in VOY is that they needed a childhood photo of Duncan McNeill and apparently nobody could find one. So they just grabbed a picture of Locarno and stuck it on Admiral Paris’ desk.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

The replicator has trouble making proper booze.

Going back on replicator versus real food.

From In the Pale Moonlight:

(Romulan ale is being imbibed.)
VREENAK: A fair approximation. Somewhat lacking in aroma. Real kali-fal should forcibly open one's sinuses well before the first sip.
SISKO: We don't have much experience in replicating Romulan beverages. Of course, all of that would change if we became allies instead of cold warriors.
[...]
VREENAK: It really is a good replica. The aroma's starting to grow on me. For a moment there I almost forgot that it wasn't the real thing, but only for a moment.

No Romulan would pay a snide compliment like that without meaning it. I don't buy the replicators make crap. Vreenak is arrogant and hostile, and still he says their replicated kali-fal is pleasant.

You then have Voyager where Neelix's cooking is so foreign and weird that most people prefer replicated food over the slop he feeds them and replicator rations are treated like gold plated latinum.

Neelix is foreign and weird. He's the Snarf of Star Trek. Janeway just wants coffee and he gives her sludge.