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I'm onto Enterprise, well into s2 and I dont understand where the hate comes from. I like the episodic format of a fledgling Star Fleet meeting well known things for the first time and dealing with lower technology. It's been fun. Yeah, there's some dumb shit like the UV room and T'pol but it's better than Voyager's early season and I would say even a bit better than later Voyager.
I remember not liking any of the time travel stuff in the first season. That was my big complaint. I should watch it again, it probably has aged better than I remember. At least it's still better than anything now.
 
I mean holy crap. What the hell were they even trying to convey if this captain bitch isn't a villain?
My theory about Nu Trek is that Alex Kurtzman’s brain froze in 2004 and he just never moved past it. Every script he writes has a) the same foul mouthed Starship Troopers nerds and b) the main hero is a woman who's a hardass. That's his other obsession, the Girlboss violating the Geneva convention. (America's most beloved genre of person.)

The whole point of Star Trek was the opposite. Roddenberry is watching this from Hell like, “I see you turned it into NCIS San Francisco"

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I’ve been rewatching DS9 after I watched a bit of the new starfleet academy show a couple weeks ago and it’s so night and day in comparison. I’m sure it’s been talked about to death here, but something I want to point out is in old trek everyone in starfleet is an articulate, competent, and highly trained professional while in nu trek they talk like dumb, terminally online teenagers bumbling around their first day on the job in a Wendy’s kitchen. Nu trek doesn’t sell the idea that starfleet is a professional, meritocratic navy when you have a commanding officer slouching with their feet up in the captain’s chair in full view of the entire crew or seeing fuckin fatties manning the consoles. Diversity in old Trek wasn’t accomplished by the idea of Affirmative action it was accomplished by the idea those positions were filled by merit, not DEI quotas.
As much as I hate to say it, get the boomers and gen X back at the helm of Star Trek because it’s clear the millennial writers at the helm of nutrek have never understood trek much less have ever served a single day in a military organization.
 
As much as I hate to say it, get the boomers and gen X back at the helm of Star Trek because it’s clear the millennial writers at the helm of nutrek have never understood trek much less have ever served a single day in a military organization.
I think you'll find, if you look into the writing teams on nu-Trek, that most of them are Gen X actually. Some are boomers as well, and almost all of the execs and production staff who approve everything are boomers. As usual, millenials have very little to do with it besides ostensibly being the target audience.
 
Ent was terrible timing all around. It launched weeks after 9/11 with that schlocky theme song and nobody was in the mood. Plus, the Star Wars prequels were happening and this was back when people weren't pretending they were good because a four year old liked it. There was no patience for prequels, and there shouldn't be because they almost always suck and are a sign the writers are completely out of ideas for how to move forward. You also have to remember this was back when media was still good. Like, I could watch The Matrix (a standalone movie) again instead of watching Enterprise.

I could go to a movie theatre (we still had those back then) and watch:
... the first installments of the Harry Potter, Fast & Furious, Spy Kids, Monsters, Inc. and Shrek franchises, and The Lord of the Rings and Ocean's trilogies. Significant non-English language films released included Monsoon Wedding, Amélie and Spirited Away.
This was ONE YEAR.

Eventually, Enterprise found its way, but it was not any kind of standout entertainment in its day. It was the bottom of the barrel.
 
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Love the TSUNDERE thing they've got going on with Miles too. He and her are just fucking bickering and nagging at each other and then she's all, okay time to fuck obviously.
Yeah I just watched that episode again for my rewatch. Always liked the cross-culture mixup with Miles and the Cardassian scientist. Totally should've gone for it lmao
 
As much as I hate to say it, get the boomers and gen X back at the helm of Star Trek because it’s clear the millennial writers at the helm of nutrek have never understood trek much less have ever served a single day in a military organization.
It's not that they don't understand Trek, they don't care.
Kurtzman admitted that he wants to turn Star Trek into an agitprop to promote the current social crap like BLM, troons and rapefugees.
 
Why did they make the Cardassian women so hot bros


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They’re objectively hideous. Giant foreheads, linebacker jaws. But they got that tsundere attraction, though.

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The makeup people on TNG were fighting uphill to make them sexy. What if we change the lipstick? Michael Westmore sitting there like, I can only do so much, man.

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Nana Visitor though…Okay, Nana pulls it off. I’ll give her that. She’s the hottest possible version of a busted species.
 
It's not that they don't understand Trek, they don't care.
Kurtzman admitted that he wants to turn Star Trek into an agitprop to promote the current social crap like BLM, troons and rapefugees.
The social commentary messages were done so much better in old trek. Occasionally they got a little preachy with a few Picard speeches here and there but ethical conflicts and debates were handled with care. Ethical debates had both sides treated like actual people with opposing views and hashed things out like adults and not immature children. No Interjections telling someone to stfu, no emasculation of male characters required, etc. Nu trek is just there to have one sided preachfests by fat dykes on soapboxes.
 
I’ve been rewatching DS9 after I watched a bit of the new starfleet academy show a couple weeks ago and it’s so night and day in comparison. I’m sure it’s been talked about to death here, but something I want to point out is in old trek everyone in starfleet is an articulate, competent, and highly trained professional while in nu trek they talk like dumb, terminally online teenagers bumbling around their first day on the job in a Wendy’s kitchen. Nu trek doesn’t sell the idea that starfleet is a professional, meritocratic navy when you have a commanding officer slouching with their feet up in the captain’s chair in full view of the entire crew or seeing fuckin fatties manning the consoles. Diversity in old Trek wasn’t accomplished by the idea of Affirmative action it was accomplished by the idea those positions were filled by merit, not DEI quotas.
As much as I hate to say it, get the boomers and gen X back at the helm of Star Trek because it’s clear the millennial writers at the helm of nutrek have never understood trek much less have ever served a single day in a military organization.

It's because all dialog now has to be dumbed down for the average black, ESL South American, Indian, etc so all the writing is done on a 3rd grade social media level. We are in Hell. The Matrix was so fucking right about humanity peaking around 1999 because we're due for a terrible future. Everything is only going to get worse as American and Europe start mirroring South Africa's slide back into the third world.

And holy shit, I thought ENT had a bad episode in Dear Doctor but somehow they manage to top it with the third gender episode Congenitor. Trip was absolutely right about how they were treating the congenitor but you had Archer and Tpol chewing him out for it. What the fuck.

It's actually a good episode that illustrates why a Federation wouldn't be possible. There are some beliefs and differences that cant be reconciled simply by talking it out or live and let live.

This episode singlehandedly ruined my perception of Archer as a captain. His chewing out of Trip at the end was awful.
 
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The social commentary messages were done so much better in old trek. Occasionally they got a little preachy with a few Picard speeches here and there but ethical conflicts and debates were handled with care. Ethical debates had both sides treated like actual people with opposing views and hashed things out like adults and not immature children. No Interjections telling someone to stfu, no emasculation of male characters required, etc. Nu trek is just there to have one sided preachfests by fat dykes on soapboxes.

I'm not sure what the wider thread's opinion of Vic Lasagna's Star Trek Continues fan show is (I find it very hit and miss, but am impressed by the production effort), but I've always been struck by how it's got two particular episodes that illustrate how to represent social topics in Star Trek, vs how not to.

In Episode 9, "What Ships Are For", the crew of the Enterprise visits a world that, due to a non-sense Treknobable reason, exists in black and white, like a 1950's TV show. The prosperous residents are at war with a nearby world that has constantly been sending invasion attempts due to their own world's increasing inhospitality. Kirk and team overturn their society by allowing them to see in color, where they find the invading peoples are unknowingly already everywhere in their society, even in their own families. It's obviously an allegory with a pro-immigration message (where they shoved a bunch of money at John De Lancie to play a bit role for 5 minutes).

The other example is Episode 7, "Embracing the Winds", where Spock is in competition for the vacant captaincy of a starship with a young ambitious and questionably capable female. Admiral Erin Grey (of 70's Buck Rogers fame) serves as judge. Very little happens in the episode, aside from Commander bossy-pants giving long speeches about early 2010's fourth wave feminism that could have been copied directly from a contemporary Anita Sarkeesian diatribe. All the characters nod along politely throughout her terrible arguments noting what good points she's making. Then the episode resolves with the vacancy no longer available, leading to nothing happening, other than Captain Vic pondering how wahman have been so done wrong.

Now, being an evil xenophobic right-wing patriarchal monster, I think the message behind both of these episodes is utterly retarded. However, the immigration episode, whatever you think of it's technical merits, at least tries to handle the modern day topic indirectly like a proper TOS episode. Similarly to how racial conflicts in the 60's were handled with the bi-colored Cheronites in the TOS episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield". I may disagree with the message, but I sympathized with the characters and could enjoy the story, and perhaps I might think further on the underlying message it presented.

Embracing the Winds just hits you upside the head with modern politically correct opinion and then grins at you with smug satisfaction. I'm not entertained. I have no sympathy for the characters. I definitely won't think further on the topics. I just end up wanting everyone annoying asshole involved in the production to be put in camps. All of the NuTrek writing is like this.


As an aside, on double-checking the spelling of Cheronite, I discovered that Nutrek had ruined that episode too, featuring multiple examples of this species surviving their extinction as shown in TOS, completely negating the key message of the episode. Also, amusingly both of the survivors they showed were of the right-side-black
 
Ent was terrible timing all around. It launched weeks after 9/11 with that schlocky theme song and nobody was in the mood. Plus, the Star Wars prequels were happening and this was back when people weren't pretending they were good because a four year old liked it. There was no patience for prequels, and there shouldn't be because they almost always suck and are a sign the writers are completely out of ideas for how to move forward.
That was always how I felt about Enterprise. I don't caaaaaaare about going back to the past, all the cool tech I like is gone, or it's like "Here's the first incarnation of that cool tech you like.... except it sucks because it's new." Uuuugh. What about the cool aliens I like, "Here's the first incarnation of that alien you like... except they're dicks because they don't know us yet." Uuuggh.

Still I told myself this time I'm going to do it after I finish this Voyager run, I'll fucking sit through Enterprise again, my third attempt maybe I'll make it to season three this time, I don't know.

Speaking of Voyager, watching Human error and while I generally don't care for the episode because, yeah, ugh what the fuck what they thinking pairing Chakotay with Seven. Just, when you think Neelix and Kes was bad, the writers really had to outdo themselves to make a worst pair. BUT. My god Seven looks fantastic in Starfleet uniform. It always bothered me how Troi and Seven got the "Leotard" treatment. Sure you see their whole figure. But the Starfleet uniform actually accentuated people's figure and just made them look that much sharper looking. Then the ponytail just adds that extra oomph. I wish I could see the entire show with Seven just having a uniform like everybody else. It's especially annoying because nobody on voyager besides the doctor sports science blue uniforms it's just gold and yellow across the ship so Seven's science uniform adds a nice touch of color to the cast.

OH and yeah btw what's the Intrepid? Oh right it's a SCIENCE vessel. Why are there nobody in the senior crew a science officer?!?
 
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