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The problem is they refuse to listen to their fanbase. I remember after Picard first aired people wanted a Seven Fenris Rangers spin off. Just do that. You already have demand. It wouldn't even have to be that deep, just have Seven being a bad ass for an hour every week and profit. But no we got more Picard. We even got annoying nepo bastard son of Picard that no one asked for or liked. We got the burn and post burn featuring fags at retard school. It's just mind blowing.
 
Xev said:
I remember after Picard first aired people wanted a Seven Fenris Rangers spin off.
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They’re always like “we operate outside the law.” Yeah no shit, you live in the ship from Firefly. And Seven's girlfriend smells like patchouli.
 
If "review bombing" kills your show/game/movie it deserved to die. Of course they call everything other than absolute adoration review bombing, so whatever! It's just bad and you shouldn't have a fucking job that isn't more complicated than making a coffee at Starbucks.
 
I've said it before but Star Trek comic book writers still give a shit

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I think there's like 5 different versions of the last adventure for the TOS crew but this was mostly pretty dang solid. The tholians get massive focus and they even brought back Gary seven as a major villain.

There's some things I didn't like, such as the stakes constantly getting bigger and bigger as it goes on and major fed corruption, but ultimately it did a pretty fantastic job with the crew interplay and spock's character development
 
They are in a bit of a hair-on-fire situation generally, if you think about it. These media companies are all propaganda factories nowadays. Therefore, losing money is fine as long as they are doing their job. They will just get topped up.

If nobody watches it and they also lose money, thats another story. Crying about review bombing is just kicking the hornets nest to try to get people to hate watch it. If that fails also, they are probably out of options tbh.
 
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OrionBalls said:
What's the general opinion on Prodigy, in here? Is it just me, or are the animated Treks made with more love than the live action ones, these days?
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I don't see a difference between Prodigy and Lower Decks, tbh. It's reference gooning.

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The cliffhanger is unfortunate, but expected since cartoons are always first against the wall.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
If "review bombing" kills your show/game/movie it deserved to die. Of course they call everything other than absolute adoration review bombing, so whatever! It's just bad and you shouldn't have a fucking job that isn't more complicated than making a coffee at Starbucks.
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Review bombing is anytime a woke show doesn't immediately get 100% audience score.
 
Whiskey said:
Would you recommend it?
I enjoyed lower decks. Not enough that I would wanna rematch but I enjoyed it for what it was.
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It has a coherent season long plot, character growth, and really the only "gooning" in the first season is Janeway being a holographic captain. It's worth a watch, in my opinion. It is definitely for kids, but if that doesn't bother you (Avatar was also for kids, but I watched it as an adult and wasn't fazed), the plot is better than SA. (That's not a high bar, I know.)
 
Dante Alighieri said:
If "review bombing" kills your show/game/movie it deserved to die. Of course they call everything other than absolute adoration review bombing, so whatever! It's just bad and you shouldn't have a fucking job that isn't more complicated than making a coffee at Starbucks.
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While I'm sure there are at least a few bigoted pricks who only hate the show for not being full of white people, I don't think the diverse cast is the only reason why people hate Academy. It might be because, and hear me out, the show's story and characters aren't very good.
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Haven't read that one, but I love how the cover emulates the classic Star Trek comic artstyle.
OrionBalls said:
What's the general opinion on Prodigy, in here? Is it just me, or are the animated Treks made with more love than the live action ones, these days?
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Not an all-time favorite, but it's got its moments. There are a few unnecessary episodes full of memberberries like one where the kids stumble upon a Borg ship, but they're meant to introduce younger audiences to Star Trek. If anything, the kids' show holds more respect for the franchise's history than most of the newer shows supposedly meant for older fans like Picard or Strange New Worlds.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
While I'm sure there are at least a few bigoted pricks who only hate the show for not being full of white people, I don't think the diverse cast is the only reason why people hate Academy.
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Unfortunately, Secret Hideout employs queers as a sort of Sin Eater for criticism.

I almost feel sympathy for the actor, he's contractually obligated to be Kurtzman's cock holster. He'll probably pull a John Boyega long after the fact.

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I've tried on two occasions to sincerely get into Babylon 5 but it's just too dated.

Long ago I tried watching the first episode after the pilot movie (I think) and I cringed my teeth off at the effects.

Recently I watched the pilot movie and I liked it a lot but the effects were still too dated for me. Plus as I understand it, like half the cast didn't return for the series from the movie. That's kind of a turn-off.

This isn't an attack on that show but it makes me appreciate that DS9 had a relatively modern look for a show that premiered in 1993 and kept a high quality look and feel throughout. And aside from Terry Farrell, I think everyone in the first episode was there by the end.

Also...for all the talk of "John C. Horfenbottom planned out the series from the beginning!"...does that really matter when a) half the cast left after the pilot and b) the captain left after the first season?
 
Zorak Prison Pod said:
Also...for all the talk of "John C. Horfenbottom planned out the series from the beginning!"...does that really matter when a) half the cast left after the pilot and b) the captain left after the first season?
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It's fine to not like B5. It's very much a product of the 90's network syndication era, and has aged poorly in many ways. The acting was often soap-opera quality, and DS9 had a much higher production budget. I personally think DS9 has aged far better, despite my love of B5.

But the cast turnover isn't a significant reason for that. A grand total of three B5 characters from the pilot didn't make it to season one (the doctor, the telepath, and the first first officer), and one of them (the telepath) returned to become a pivotal character for latter seasons. And yeah, the actor playing the Captain tuned out to be a raging schizophrenic half-way through filming the first season, but you should have seen the dumpy French faggot Roddenberry really wanted to play Picard in TNG pre-production. Also note that all but one of the season two cast went the rest of the series, and on to the shitty cable telemovies.

The pilot is far more objectionable for Delenn's low voice and masculine makeup, which was a hangover from JMS' original tranny alien concept for Delenn that didn't even make it to the pilot, and was completely scrubbed from season one. He was a tranny chaser long before Sense8, you see.

Ignoring that, the thing people like about B5 is that, unlike DS9 or almost any contemporary show, it did have a story arc planned from day one. At that point, TV was purely episodic. No real changes could happen to the characters from the start to end of an episode. Each story had to be interchangeable. DS9 eventually got to multi-episode arcs in later seasons, but B5 was there from the pilot. Sure, the larger story had to change due to production challenges, but there was a larger story there.
 
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