Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Van Darkholme said:
Looks very much like the 23rd century version of the California-class...probably where they got their inspiration from.
That deflector though.
Click to expand...
I haven't looked at the Ptolemy-class that way, but I can see why one can come to that conclusion. The base structure in the California-class is almost identical, yes.
XYZpdq Jr. said:
looks like one of the guys out of the old TOS-ish technical manual, that was chock full of "pile of tubes and saucers"
Click to expand...
The Ptolemy-class is Franz Joseph's work, and in this specific instance it's also canon:
Ptolemy_class (1).webp
It's the schematic on the right. They took it from Franz Joseph's own tech manual. The same by the way applies for the Saladin, Hermes and Federation classes. Seriously, people don't really appreciate how good we once had it with the spaceship-autism porn.
 
One_True_Yuri said:
I have more of these, its been sitting in a leather bag at my grandmother's house for as long as I can remember
Click to expand...
I am jealous beyond comprehension. There are not that many people who have that many blueprints that are maintained and preserved that well. This is genuinely valuable, good Sir...
 
Van Darkholme said:
Looks very much like the 23rd century version of the California-class...probably where they got their inspiration from.
That deflector though.
Click to expand...
Yeah, all of Franz Joseph's designs include dishes, even where there was nowhere to mount them. He's got the same ventral saucer mount on the one-nacelle Saladin destroyer and Hermes scout.

One_True_Yuri said:
View attachment 8643044View attachment 8643063View attachment 8643074View attachment 8643077View attachment 8643081View attachment 8643083View attachment 8643086View attachment 8643091

I have more of these, its been sitting in a leather bag at my grandmother's house for as long as I can remember
Click to expand...
Rare treasures, and in such good shape!

I've still got my childhood copy of the FJ Tech Manual, but the spine is completely fubar at this point. Who knew cheap paperback bindings don't hold together well after 40 years? Fortunately there's scanned PDFs when the mood strikes.
 
One_True_Yuri said:
View attachment 8643044View attachment 8643063View attachment 8643074View attachment 8643077View attachment 8643081View attachment 8643083View attachment 8643086View attachment 8643091

I have more of these, its been sitting in a leather bag at my grandmother's house for as long as I can remember
Click to expand...

Sweet! I can imagine a nerdling busting out these maps during an airing and trying to figure out what routes Kirk and pals are taking when they run through the ship.
 
Sayer of the N-Word said:
Sweet! I can imagine a nerdling busting out these maps during an airing and trying to figure out what routes Kirk and pals are taking when they run through the ship.
Click to expand...
One of the most striking evidence of attention to detail on the writer's and producer's part of TOS is the travel time and direction of the turbolifts. Someone did a clip about that stuff with Kirk and Spock using the turbolift to get to a certain destination in the ship's hull, and the autist doing the clip compared in real time that to blueprints made after the series ran. And what do you know? It matches. The point is that the people making TOS were thinking about constructing a real place and about the consistency of the logistics of that place. That has never been matched to that resolution ever again, not even by DS9 in DS9.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
One of the most striking attention to detail on the writer's and producer's part of TOS is the travel time and direction of the turbolifts. Someone did a clip about that stuff with Kirk and Spock using the turbolift to get to a certain destination in the ship's hull, and the autist doing the clip compared in real time that to blueprints made after the series ran. And what do you know? It matches. The point is that the people making TOS were thinking about constructing a real place and about the consistency of the logistics of that place. That has never been matched to that resolution ever again, not even by DS9 in DS9.
Click to expand...

Compare that to J. Michael Straczynski blowing off people who asked him about the size of Babylon 5.
 
Sayer of the N-Word said:
Compare that to J. Michael Straczynski blowing off people who asked him about the size of Babylon 5.
Click to expand...
Well, JMS had a different priority, and I can respect that. He told a story that happened in a place. The characters in that story could have existed in any place and the story would still work at the structural level. The TOS-team told stories where the place was structurally important to the stories themselves; the Enterprise was a main character in a way and quality that the big ass tube wasn't. The stories wouldn't work without the ship. That was intentional and by design.
 
One_True_Yuri said:
I have more of these, its been sitting in a leather bag at my grandmother's house for as long as I can remember
Click to expand...
I always thought it was interesting that Franz's plans placed main engineering in the back of the saucer section, rather than in the secondary hull. It kind of makes sense, because the big, red empty expanse you can see on the actual set does look like it could be the impulse engines. But it's contradicted by basically every later design which, as a rule, has main engineering placed in the so-called "engineering section," which invariably is the part with the deflector and the nacelles stuck on it.
 
Gan Ying said:
I always thought it was interesting that Franz's plans placed main engineering in the back of the saucer section, rather than in the secondary hull. It kind of makes sense, because the big, red empty expanse you can see on the actual set does look like it could be the impulse engines. But it's contradicted by basically every later design which, as a rule, has main engineering placed in the so-called "engineering section," which invariably is the part with the deflector and the nacelles stuck on it.
Click to expand...
Yeah, the very concept of a central "Warp Core" in the secondary hull was an innovation in The Motion Picture. Before that fans and non-canon book writers were left to speculate how it all worked. And boy did they!

The most common understanding at the time, partially based on dialog from TOS, was that the nacelles were actually where the matter and anti-matter mixed and produced the majority of ship power. In that scenario engineering was mainly a control room, rather than the heart of the ship's energy production.

The two most popular Trek board games of the 80's (Star Fleet Battles, and the FASA Tactical Starship Simulator) both used this rationale, basing ship power on the number and size of ship nacelles, which justified the FJ Dreadnought class being tri-nacelle.

After TMP, and especially during TNG, this was definitively retconned into the warp core/ EPS conduits / plasma powered warp coils setup that is canon today.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
Whoever pushed for the Intrepid and Prometheus in Starfleet deserves a promotion and virtually unlimited access to manufacturing time.
Click to expand...
I was searching for Prometheus mentions in thread and had to agree here.
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
After all, the Prometheus class wasn't a bigger Sovereign, but 3 Defiants in a coat.
Click to expand...
Three independently warp-capable Defiants (but which don't shake themselves apart at high warp) which combine into a ship faster than Voyager, with four sleek nacelles and an arrowhead design. Phenomenal work. It's nice to see advancements which aren't superweapon plot mcguffins. It's just a ship that becomes three ships, the non-cloak equivalent of the Romulans favorite tactic: two more ships decloaking.

While holo-emitters on every deck is useful for the Doctor and sounds like a nice idea, it means the entire ship is a holodeck whenever the holodeck goes crazy. That and the Emergency Andy Dick Hologram can go anywhere, and turn itself on again when he's deactivated. Somewhere in the Federation medical service is the Andy Dick that Zimmerman based him on. Either that or those are the sliders he settled on.
 
m1ddl3m4rch said:
Three independently warp-capable Defiants (but which don't shake themselves apart at high warp) which combine
Click to expand...
now I want a DS9 spinoff where Sisko has Bashir and O'Brien look into those bizarre "getter" rays they found
1772498975721.png
1772499065598.png
uhh...
shit
I hit a wall on O'Brien doing a toothy getter grin
1772499161274.png
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom