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Michael Wade said:
strange new worlds
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You mean that Vulcan dating show?

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Phillip Green said:
From what I gather, the show did not get better in later seasons.
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It did not, but I finished the series for whatever that is worth. The ending is famously terrible, insultingly so.

However, this is one of the few sci-fi shows where they torture a character more than the writers tortured O'Brien. Gaeta suffers more than just about any other character I can think of and it's all so casually done, someone in the writers room hated him. (At least he wasn't married to Keiko).
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Mussolini’s Merkin said:
It did not, but I finished the series for whatever that is worth. The ending is famously terrible, insultingly so.

However, this is one of the few sci-fi shows where they torture a character more than the writers tortured O'Brien. Gaeta suffers more than just about any other character I can think of and it's all so casually done, someone in the writers room hated him. (At least he wasn't married to Keiko).
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If I gotta live in Scandivania like Tigh, I will bring guns and a space heater. I don't care that it's OOParts technology, it's going to be night for 6 months at a time.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Put a gun to my head and made me pick the least embarrassing of the Nu-Treks, it's LD.
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I maintain Picard S3 was good. Lower Decks was good. It's also sad when you watch LD, because you know Paramount has writing staff who know and care about Trek and those who don't.
Meriasek said:
Seth MacFarlane on the Spiner/Frakes show.

/edit: Orville season 4 is written, but who knows when it'll happen. I hope soon, after Quality Learing Center I'd want a palate cleanser.
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
The Orville is actually good. Give it a shot if you haven't already.
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Meriasek said:
It's pretty much the best Star Trek we got since... ENT.
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I really enjoyed The Orville. The Topa episodes were very well done. I tear up every time at the family's reconciliation, and I loved Klyden's character arc. I thought the show handled trans very well; the best I've seen dramatized. In a better time it would have more recognition.
 
I didn't even know Starfleet Academy already ended. Now this is a show that's fascinating to me. Since literally no one other than like online culture war youtubers are talking about it. Literally no one in the intended target audience is interested it. Whatever that audience is. Teens? Zoomers? Certainly not Trek fans. Like, at least people were watching SNW or Discovery out of morbid curiosity.
m1ddl3m4rch said:
I really enjoyed The Orville. The Topa episodes were very well done. I tear up every time at the family's reconciliation, and I loved Klyden's character arc. I thought the show handled trans very well; the best I've seen dramatized. In a better time it would have more recognition.
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It gets surprisingly good towards the end of that first season and seasons 2 and 3 were legitimately entertaining. The humor's still more miss than hit, but they ween themselves off the humor as they go. Clearly the comedy thing was some kind of way for MacFarlane to get funding for the show or something. That episode in the third season with the virus turning people into weird bug monsters was particularly intense.
 
m1ddl3m4rch said:
I really enjoyed The Orville. The Topa episodes were very well done. I tear up every time at the family's reconciliation, and I loved Klyden's character arc. I thought the show handled trans very well; the best I've seen dramatized. In a better time it would have more recognition.
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FatMebius said:
It gets surprisingly good towards the end of that first season and seasons 2 and 3 were legitimately entertaining. The humor's still more miss than hit, but they ween themselves off the humor as they go. Clearly the comedy thing was some kind of way for MacFarlane to get funding for the show or something. That episode in the third season with the virus turning people into weird bug monsters was particularly intense.
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I've still never watched Orville but I think I will give it a try once I finish this watch-through of Enterprise, this thread seems to give it a decent amount of praise.
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
I've still never watched Orville but I think I will give it a try once I finish this watch-through of Enterprise, this thread seems to give it a decent amount of praise.
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Do it, it really is good. In the beginning there's a lot more comedy than later on, but you can always tell that it was written by people who absolutely love Star Trek.
Just give the Star Trek franchise to Seth MacFarlane. I think he'd do a good job bringing classic Trek back. Unlike the current writers (apart from maybe those on Lower Decks) he actually likes Star Trek. The Orville might look like a comedy or even parody at first, but it really is a love letter with a few jokes.
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
It did not, but I finished the series for whatever that is worth. The ending is famously terrible, insultingly so.

However, this is one of the few sci-fi shows where they torture a character more than the writers tortured O'Brien. Gaeta suffers more than just about any other character I can think of and it's all so casually done, someone in the writers room hated him. (At least he wasn't married to Keiko).
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I remember throwing on a late-season episode of Smallville like it was a wellness check, and within thirty seconds I’m watching Amos Fortune cave in Felix’s skull like he’s Nicky Santoro.

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Meriasek said:
Do it, it really is good. In the beginning there's a lot more comedy than later on, but you can always tell that it was written by people who absolutely love Star Trek.
Just give the Star Trek franchise to Seth MacFarlane. I think he'd do a good job bringing classic Trek back. Unlike the current writers (apart from maybe those on Lower Decks) he actually likes Star Trek. The Orville might look like a comedy or even parody at first, but it really is a love letter with a few jokes.
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The comedy is good, though.

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It's interesting because there's an adage that goes something like, in order to properly parody something, you have to actually love it; meaning that you have to really understand it. Hate isn't the opposite of love, they're two sides of the same coin. The actual opposite is indifference. That's why Orville works, it's because Seth actually loves Star Trek.

And this is also why nuTrek in all its forms fucking sucks: the people involved don't give a fuck. You don't always need some basement dwelling rivet-counter to obsessively pore through memory alpha to ensure everything is 100% accurate but you need to at least pretend to care about what made the series so loved in the first place.

Indifferent iconoclasm is what destroys franchises when showrunners and everyone connected to them are more concerned about themselves than telling Good Stories.
 
Brain Problems said:
It's interesting because there's an adage that goes something like, in order to properly parody something, you have to actually love it; meaning that you have to really understand it. Hate isn't the opposite of love, they're two sides of the same coin. The actual opposite is indifference. You don't always need some basement dwelling rivet-counter to obsessively pore through memory alpha to ensure everything is 100% accurate
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Meriasek said:
And actually good stories. They actually managed to write good trans and time travel stories.
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The vax and porn addiction episodes kind of blindside you because I can’t picture modern Trek touching those issues with a ten-foot pole.

The Nu Trek characters feel like they’re employees at a Star Trek theme park.

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