Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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If the hate hurts now, it surely is become it rings true and there's basically no love or even liking of it.

Frakes knows there wasn't the hate for the episodes of The Orville he directed. There isn't even that much hate for Stranger New Worlds as it's a decent enough show, despite a lack luster third season and turning into Community on a starship.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

To this day, Frakes is assmad that the movies he directed aren't as beloved as DS9.

Frakes is a solid director, but he should KNOW that his skills were wasted on bullshit scripts. Blaming the DS9-people is just limpwristed, dickless cope.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Frakes knows there wasn't the hate for the episodes of The Orville he directed.

He’s like an historian of his own cowardice. You watch. When Starfleet Academy is pulled off TV, Frakes will suddenly have deep reservations that he didn't share at the time. Like he wasn't nodding along.



At least Picardo is acting (of a sort). Frakes' contribution is hiding behind a camera and collecting checks.

 

[Miller]

They keep dragging him out of retirement for Starfleet Academy. To his dismay, the writers are being bullied by the internet.

He is the only hwite male director allowed to film an episode of Kurtzman Trek.
Kurtzman went full ESG years ago and only allows women and melanated folks behind the camera. Around the second season of STD, Robert Ducan McNeill wanted to shoot an episode but Kurtzman refused and told him that they already have Frakes so instead he went to film a couple of episodes of The Orville. I believe Roxann Dawson (who also worked on The Orville) said that she never got a call, probably because of her politics (she is conservative).

 

[FatMebius]

He is the only hwite male director allowed to film an episode of Kurtzman Trek.
Kurtzman went full ESG years ago and only allows women and melanated folks behind the camera. Around the second season of STD, Robert Ducan McNeill wanted to shoot an episode but Kurtzman refused and told him that they already have Frakes so instead he went to film a couple of episodes of The Orville. I believe Roxann Dawson (who also worked on The Orville) said that she never got a call, probably because of her politics (she is conservative).

MacFarlane's sister has a funny story about Seth, as infinitely famous and rich as he is, being as giddy as a schoolboy when RDM was directing his first episode of The Orville. He said something like "Oh my god, Tom Paris is shooting episodes of my show!!"

It's stuff like that that makes Seth hard to dislike, even if I don't really like his comedy.

Frakes is a solid director, but he should KNOW that his skills were wasted on bullshit scripts. Blaming the DS9-people is just limpwristed, dickless cope.
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Frakes is supposedly just really good to his actors and also doesn't waste people's time with a zillion takes. "Two Takes Frakes" is his nickname. Although, when he started to get a little pudgy during those last couple TNG movies, my brother and I were always joking about him being "Two Cakes Frakes" lol

 

[Cactuar King]

He is the only hwite male director allowed to film an episode of Kurtzman Trek.
Kurtzman went full ESG years ago and only allows women and melanated folks behind the camera. Around the second season of STD, Robert Ducan McNeill wanted to shoot an episode but Kurtzman refused and told him that they already have Frakes so instead he went to film a couple of episodes of The Orville. I believe Roxann Dawson (who also worked on The Orville) said that she never got a call, probably because of her politics (she is conservative).

You know, it's funny, as much as a left leaning, reddit tier atheist as Seth MacFarlane is, he seems to be able to get along great with people who are more conservative. Patrick Warburton's Christian, he regularly works with MacFarlane, Sam Jones had nothing but praise for him when he was talking about working on Ted with Critical Drinker and Mark Wahlberg works with him often enough.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

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The reason he finds out about the fire is to motivate him go to... the observatory with Soran?

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And of course Kirk and Picard have no chemistry. So they slap in a stuntwoman ‘Antonia,’ the one who got away, to pretend they’re on the same path. Which they’re not.

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The thing which really gets me is the lack of fanservice. Even the shittiest Trek movies have something, you know. A cat stripper or Uhura in La Cage aux Folles, some nonsense. Eye candy at least. In Generations we get the Duras sisters and some stunt double on a horse. Because Shatner refused to do it unless they let him ride a horse.

Knowing that this movie was made at the same time as season 7 makes me wonder how All Good Things is as good as it is. Picard traveling to the past, present, and future to figure out Q's time travel riddle sounds like a really messy premise. Meanwhile, the premise of Kirk and Picard teaming up had a lot of marketing value and sounds relatively straightforward in comparison. Then Generations comes out and it's the incredibly messy movie that makes no sense. The production team had the same brain haze for both productions, after all.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

re: ESG/DEI. Planetary Governor and Overlord of All, His Supreme Excellency Larry Fink of House BlackRock, has declared not even 2 days ago that DEI and "woke" have gone too far. If the powers that be say out in the open that their policies are shit, things might have a chance of changing. It would be hilarious if we indeed got better Trek out of it, just because the bean counters at the most powerful hedge funds the jews have ever created finally counted the beans correctly for a change.



Nah, who am I kidding. It will probably get so much worse, and the Trill will never be restored to the glorious goonbait they used to be.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I remember an interview with Moore on the DVD where he said DS9 had pushed the Star Trek concept as far as it could go. Turns out he wasn't huffing his own farts.

There are more bad Star Trek shows than good ones, and you can’t even blame inertia the way you can with something like SNL or The Simpsons, David Ellison is dancing around in Star Trek's skin like Buffalo Bill.

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

And it is done... Finished watching These are the Voyages a bit ago. It snuck up on me, I expected the last season to go 24 episodes.

After 20 years I finally watched it beginning to end.
Some thoughts on season four, with the temporal time war ending in a wet fat and a lot of the season being a lot of "Aliens bad!" humanity having a kneejerk reaction to getting 7 million snuffed. It certainly was the serialized of all seasons. Even the one year Xindi mission had episodes that felt self contained while here it was like two-parters back to back it feels like.

So we have the arc where they setup why the Vulcans were assholes in this series with this "back to basics" plot with the Syrrannite. T'Pau was pretty hot, like the long shaggy hair on her. Then the Andorians and Tholians, anything with Shran always stands out but much of that is just because good old Combs.

I was actually kinda disappointed with In a Mirror Darkly. I knew it was a popular arc and knew it was mirror universe stuff but I just, I dunno, I find the way it was completely non-sequitur, having no relation to he main universe's cast unlike the OG Mirror universe and the DS9 episodes where we get to see one or more character from the main universe react to the mirror universe. It felt lazy, just like, they wanted to do mirror universe stuff but couldn't think of a reason why. It ends in this kinda predictable end. At least seeing the TOS set is cool but also jarring because it's supposed to be this cool future technology but it still ends up looking older than the NX.

The Augment one I vaguely remember seeing on TV, t'was okay I guess. I liked seeing Bryan Doyle Murray showing up, was cool seeing the occasionally mentioned Dr. Lucas but I never would have imagined that face on him. It's especially more funny when you think of Phlox urging him to go get some Denobulan ass at a night club, I can't imagine there was much new connection over somebody who looks like Bill Murray's brother. Brent was still looking decent so it's nice not seeing him looking all boated too. This led to the derp arc about the genetic mutation of the Klingon to try to explain the TOS look, something we really didn't need to address. Especially it seems it only affect a percentage of the population and somehow it affected every single Klingon that Kirk interacted with on the TV show and then suddenly only started running into unaffected ones in the movies. Kay. Let's not forget how 3 Darhar masters were seen both with the infection in TOS and looking perfectly fine in DS9 (Cranial reconstruction perhaps?)

So yeah then some half-hearted Federation pipes-laying with the Andorian/Thelarite arc and the horrible wet fart that was These are the Voyages. I too will consider it some messed up holodeck program where Trip hates being credited for stuff and asked to be killed off in the program or whatever. Fuck, to just fucking die over some shit Archer did for Shran. Ugh. I wasn't the biggest fan of the romance between him and T'Pol but it takes something that pretty weak and turns it into a pile of shit when you go "Oh yeah so they did get together but it didn't work out and then Trip died to some thugs." Had to fucking yeet himself so his good Captain can deliver that speech! Yeah that speech we never even actually get to see when Fat-Riker goes "Boring, Computer shut this shit off" almost feel like Rick Berman was throwing a fit over his show being Cancelled. "If I can't get to finish my show then nobody gets to be happy." Fuck you Berman!

So here we are, so so long of my life I've had Star Trek episode just playing in the background as I'm doing something and it's always been TNG->DS9->VOY->Repeat. After finally sitting through all of Enterprise I think I will add it to the mix, it really isn't so bad, it's about as mid as Voyager and still feels Star Trek for the most part. I too am of the opinion that I wish we could have seen what 7 season of the show would have delivered. I couldn't have been nowhere as bad as anything we've gotten now.

It's stuff like that that makes Seth hard to dislike, even if I don't really like his comedy.

It was neat seeing his little cameo spots in season 4 of Enterprise. I'm sure he must be forever happy that he exists in the Star Trek canon.

Oh yeah Robocop was space KKK man too, I forgot to mention that.

Anyway, time to watch Encounter at Farpoint. Yeah I even do full S1 and S2 I don't care, I just laugh at the bad ones.

 

[Van Darkholme]

She goes to Europa, which somehow rewrites human history in some offscreen bullshit we never see. Then she spills her guts to a doctor who turns out to be Q, which is suspiciously similar to Sherlock season 4, but then again, it's been done a million times in other things.
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I mean we all know that Picard S2 was pure TDS filled shit, but here's what I want to know:
how did a geneticist develop those solar shields in the alternate timeline where she didn't go into space and why did it turn earth in the new third reich?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Nu Trek is always posturing like it's saying something profound while the Trek™ logo spins behind them. The brand is doing all the heavy lifting, it's certainly not the writing.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

But I admit it’s a better movie than Generations.

Generations is the worst Trek movie, hands down. Into Darkness you can at least handwave as being an alternate universe, it doesn’t mess around with the lore as much.

I wasn't the biggest fan of the romance between him and T'Pol but it takes something that pretty weak and turns it into a pile of shit when you go "Oh yeah so they did get together but it didn't work out and then Trip died to some thugs."

It’s really galling as this comes pretty much immediately after Trip and T’Pol’s kinda, sorta kid dies. Feels like someone wanted to twist a knife.

After finally sitting through all of Enterprise I think I will add it to the mix, it really isn't so bad, it's about as mid as Voyager and still feels Star Trek for the most part.

Personally I think that Enterprise has a better cast than Voyager. I enjoy Phlox, T’Pol, Tucker and Shran more than anyone on the Voyager.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Personally I think that Enterprise has a better cast than Voyager. I enjoy Phlox, T’Pol, Tucker and Shran more than anyone on the Voyager.

I see you omitted Janeway, the Doctor and Seven. They aren't all trash. Surely.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It's stuff like that that makes Seth hard to dislike, even if I don't really like his comedy.

The thing about Seth is people hate Family Guy and his shit-eating grin, but he's well-known in the industry for not only being very personable, but very good to his people. He clearly doesn't take politics so seriously that he lets it harm his personal and working relationships, unlike some people.

 

[Harvey Danger]

RLM reviewing Voyager S1 just dropped.

2 hours long, I haven't watched the whole thing. It starts with "It's very, VERY easy to say nu-Trek makes Voyager look brilliant." They both seem to like it a lot.

 

[FatMebius]

Voyager's first season isn't bad at all. Rewatched it not too long ago, so it's fresh in my mind.Some low points, for sure. But, it's better than TNG's first season overall.

Mike's really pragmatic and logical about why they ditch the whole Maquis VS Federation thing too. Or why they didn't pick Klingons or Cardassians or something. I personally think Romulans could've been interesting. Since their territory expanded into the Delta Quadrant at the time, I'm sure they were hoarding all kinds of intel on some of the species, cultures and phenomena that one could expect there.

 

[Miller]

The Maquis should have been a thorn in Voyager's side for the entire first season or at least half of it, instead they hit the reset button and become best buddies with Janeway.

You know, it's funny, as much as a left leaning, reddit tier atheist as Seth MacFarlane is, he seems to be able to get along great with people who are more conservative. Patrick Warburton's Christian, he regularly works with MacFarlane, Sam Jones had nothing but praise for him when he was talking about working on Ted with Critical Drinker and Mark Wahlberg works with him often enough.

also Norm and James Woods.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I do enjoy First Contact. It has a lot of heart. I have zero problem with Picard crashing up, tbh.

He is the only hwite male director allowed to film an episode of Kurtzman Trek.
Kurtzman went full ESG years ago and only allows women and melanated folks behind the camera. Around the second season of STD, Robert Ducan McNeill wanted to shoot an episode but Kurtzman refused and told him that they already have Frakes so instead he went to film a couple of episodes of The Orville. I believe Roxann Dawson (who also worked on The Orville) said that she never got a call, probably because of her politics (she is conservative).

This has to be the lest Star Trek thing ever.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's stuff like that that makes Seth hard to dislike, even if I don't really like his comedy.

It's what I admire about him. He's a man who absolutely loves getting to be creative.

Knowing that this movie was made at the same time as season 7 makes me wonder how All Good Things is as good as it is. Picard traveling to the past, present, and future to figure out Q's time travel riddle sounds like a really messy premise. Meanwhile, the premise of Kirk and Picard teaming up had a lot of marketing value and sounds relatively straightforward in comparison. Then Generations comes out and it's the incredibly messy movie that makes no sense. The production team had the same brain haze for both productions, after all.

It's like watching Buffy's seventh season; mostly crap, but goddamn, that finale kicks ass.

I find the way it was completely non-sequitur, having no relation to he main universe's cast unlike the OG Mirror universe and the DS9 episodes where we get to see one or more character from the main universe react to the mirror universe. It felt lazy, just like, they wanted to do mirror universe stuff but couldn't think of a reason why.

Even Discovery had the actual main characters interact with the Mirror Universe.

Nu Trek is always posturing like it's saying something profound while the Trek™ logo spins behind them. The brand is doing all the heavy lifting, it's certainly not the writing.

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Best part is that Bob doesn't even like TNG.

It’s really galling as this comes pretty much immediately after Trip and T’Pol’s kinda, sorta kid dies. Feels like someone wanted to twist a knife.

There's killing off a character for drama, and then there's killing off a character to be a dick. Just ask Jadzia.

It starts with "It's very, VERY easy to say nu-Trek makes Voyager look brilliant." They both seem to like it a lot.

That made me think. Has modern Star Trek done anything as bizarre as "the ship is nearly destroyed by cheese"?

The Maquis should have been a thorn in Voyager's side for the entire first season or at least half of it, instead they hit the reset button and become best buddies with Janeway.

Doesn't help that even Chakotay barely rebelled against Janeway.