Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

GloryHole Stalker said:
I found Picard, from what little I watched TNG, to be a bloviating bore. Kirk is the man. I never watched any of the other shows so I can't say anything about the rest of the Captians.
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Kirk - THE Captain, the man the myth and the legend
Picard - Terminally British while also being French, a deadly combo of condescension and hypocrisy (also a teenage Norwood Reaper victim)
Janeway - Some of the same problems as Picard, but she murders people all the time so I think she's fun
Sisko - Black gigachad, does what needs to be done
Archer - The faith of the heart and the clear foundation that men like Kirk built on
 
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FPTMIU said:
He actually like Janeway as well as a captain because she was a southener iirc
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Janeway’s from Indiana. She's a Hoosier who sounds like she owns a yacht.:stress:

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Curzon Dax-sama said:
This problem extends far beyond entertainment. These corporations are run nowadays by people that hate their customers for not being loyal enough and giving them all their cash.
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Remember the D&D controversy and the email leak?
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Just saying, I have little doubt nowadays that a lot of business "professionals" have the above view, and not the old fashioned view of "make customers happy, and they give you money."

Curzon Dax-sama said:
Enshittification of basically everything is the logical endpoint of globalization. McDonald's is just a tiny example of what's wrong with the current year+11: Everything is turned into brown slop. Our cities and countries, our food, entertainment, our economies - everything is turned into a variation of Colcatta, Lagos or Cairo.
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I think it's more complex. NBC wanted to do Star Trek again, but the current stock of show business talent is very politically motivated. Even if NBC tried to do a 90's Trek show, they would be eviscerated by critics for not including themes of race, class, or gender. It's not even the shitty writers and producers doing obvious self-masturbatory self-insert schwarbage, although that is a big factor. The problem is that Hollywood went from trying to avoid political or social controversy to embracing it so as to curry favor with increasingly pseudointellectual critics. Consumers, who want to feel smart, copy the pseudointellectual gobbledegook of critics and are afraid of looking unintelligent to their peers, so they can't even watch TNG and enjoy it without rambling about its lack of current year sociopolitical bloviating.
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Dark Herald has had a good series on this recently called "the plastic age of hollywood."

Basically one big problem is they screwed up the pipeline for cultivating talent.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
(also a teenage Norwood Reaper victim)
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It's funny because in the show whenever they showed young Picard, he still had hair. Even up to his time as a Captain, he was still holding on:

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And of course when they show him get owned by the Nausican goon, he's got pretty good hair:
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But then randomly in Nemesis they showed a picture of him at the academy and its just bald Tom Hardy:
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It was the early signs of Picard's transformation into just being Patrick Stewart, because Patrick Stewart did indeed lose his hair as a teen.
 
Gan Ying said:
But then randomly in Nemesis they showed a picture of him at the academy and its just bald Tom Hardy:
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Funnily enough, that was actually a late addition. They changed him to bald because they were afraid that audiences would be too stupid to realize that that's supposed to be Picard unless he's a shinetop.
 
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Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
Funny enough, that was actually a late addition. They changed him to bald because they were afraid that audiences would be too stupid to realize that that's supposed to be Picard unless he's a shinetop.
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I like to believe that canonically that picture was taken after he lost a bet while at the academy. Or some kind of hazing ritual.
 
I never had a problem with that picture. Maybe the Academy shaved the heads of plebes. Or he lost a bet at some point. Or was in a frat and it was part of the initiation. Something.
 
Watching Voyager episode Nothing Human.

The writers literally create a holographic strawman for the crew to get unreasonably mad at. They just stick a holographic skin on the exobiology database, calm down. Janeway manages to be the voice of rationality and says we need to save our freeman first and then we can quibble about the moral issues afterward.

Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I think it's more complex. NBC wanted to do Star Trek again, but the current stock of show business talent is very politically motivated. Even if NBC tried to do a 90's Trek show, they would be eviscerated by critics for not including themes of race, class, or gender. It's not even the shitty writers and producers doing obvious self-masturbatory self-insert schwarbage, although that is a big factor. The problem is that Hollywood went from trying to avoid political or social controversy to embracing it so as to curry favor with increasingly pseudointellectual critics. Consumers, who want to feel smart, copy the pseudointellectual gobbledegook of critics and are afraid of looking unintelligent to their peers, so they can't even watch TNG and enjoy it without rambling about its lack of current year sociopolitical bloviating.
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The hilarious thing is that Seth fucking MacFarlane with The Orville managed to do political episodes with more tact and wisdom than anyone in the last 10-15 years has been able to. Probably because he realizes the goal of these shows it to be entertaining and not to indoctrinate your audience. Shit, just put him in charge of Star Trek and see how it goes since he seems to actually understand why people liked Star Trek.

Gan Ying said:
It was the early signs of Picard's transformation into just being Patrick Stewart, because Patrick Stewart did indeed lose his hair as a teen.
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How dumb of a producer do you have to be just not to write "Picard's first year academy year 23XX " on it instead.
 
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I knew Nemesis was cooked when they showed Shinzon. That’s supposed to be a clone of Picard? Who is this supposed to trick? They look nothing alike.

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They threw him into a mine? A little bald kid with a pickaxe? Like a Victorian chimney sweep? Why not just kill him?


It was clear from the trailer that he had no personality other than off-brand Ming the Merciless galactic warlord guy.

If the movie's just going to revolve around Data's brother, anyway, they might as well have brought back Lore.

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Captain Syrup said:
They didn't even give Beltran the usual first-officer perk of hooking up.
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I dont understand why they just didn't go with pairing Janeway with him instead of Seven, who he had no chemistry with. Sure it's a bit cliche, but that's usually how these things go and they worked well together.q Shit, that's happened to me at work where I worked closely with someone female my age and you work well together and feelings emerge. (Advice for Kiwis, if your SO has a work BFF of the opposite sex around the same age and attractiveness level, you're in trouble)

Phillip Green said:
Yeah, but he got demoted and then re-promoted while poor Harry looked on from the Ops cuck corner.
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They had the threads set up to hook him up with Seven which would have been an interesting way to explore their characters but just sort of abandoned it. "Oh, you wish to copulate? Very well then, take off your clothes." Come on man, if Jeri Ryan says that in front of you, you say "yes ma'am" and comply.
William Murderface said:
Something about all the ugly forehead aliens just hit me. Human seem to be just fine with lusting after aliens with all kinds of weird ridges and folds and whatnot all over their heads. We never see a human disgusted or at least turned off by the ridges. The only time I can think of an alien saying anything was in Generations when the Klingon sisters were looking at Dr. Crusher through the tinkered with VISOR and said she was ugly. It would have been great if we had an episode where someone like Harry Kim or D. Bashir had the hots for the Forehead Alien Gal and she shot him down because his head was just way too smooth and there was no way she could ever be attracted to seeing that every day.
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It always amuses me when they had to pretend that anyone was attracted to races like the Ferengi as if anyone was gonna want to bang those goblins for anything other than latinum. Leeta was a top tier gold-digger. Although Rom becoming Nagus and the changing Ferengi morals in general was probably the biggest mistep in the series as if the Ferengi wouldn't immediately rise up and assassinate him and undo all those changes.

Oh, and I saw peak liberalism on the Star Trek subreddit the other day with someone claiming that actually Star Trek is bad because it frames the European explorer and discovery drive as a good thing instead of a terrible sin and everyone should stay at home and live with nature instead of exploring and improving. I swear we're looking at the Great Filter in real time as self hating intellectuals take power and self immolate their culture.
 
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FPTMIU said:
My dad's an OG Trekkie who has been watching since the 60s and hates TNG because Picard is British and he thinks that Star Trek captains should only be Americans. His favorite captains are Archer and Kirk.
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Don't tell your dad that Shatner is Canadian.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
William Shatner Reviews Impressions of Himself | Vanity Fair
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I still find it amusing the guy watched Love Live and shitposted on /tv/
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
Archer - The faith of the heart and the clear foundation that men like Kirk built on
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Enterprise is an extremely comfy show. Because it and TOS are the only ones I've properly seen, I can't really compare it to the others. But I really like the characters and their dynamics.
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Don't tell your dad that Shatner is Canadian.
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I mean he probably doesn't see the difference. All north americans look the same to us euros.
 
William Murderface said:
And while we're on the subject, even changing the ending of the last episode of DS9 so that instead of Sisko effectively being dead because Brooks didn't want Sisko to be an absentee father in the form of a MIA war casualty, they made him an absentee father who could come back any time but so far still hasn't, because somehow going out for a pack of smokes and never coming home is somehow more noble than telling his son "your father died a hero". The writers thought they were doing something for Brooks's message and ended up writing the thing they weren't supposed to be writing at all and even Brooks didn't get it.
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Why was it even necessary to have him die anyways? Just have him complete his destiny and then have him resign from Starfleet fatigued by war and live on a farm in Bajor to heal. Like Frodo going off to the Grey Havens.
 
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