Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Dragged Into Sunlight said:
The hilarious thing is that Seth fucking MacFarlane with The Orville managed to do political episodes with more tact and wisdom than anyone in the last 10-15 years has been able to. Probably because he realizes the goal of these shows it to be entertaining and not to indoctrinate your audience. Shit, just put him in charge of Star Trek and see how it goes since he seems to actually understand why people liked Star Trek.
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It's called Subtlety™ a concept totally alien to the SSRI/Vyvanse addicted producers, writers, and directors of nuTrek. I'm not even talking about big brain 2deep4u subtlety, I'm just saying Orville actually understood that Trek can take a concept and explore it via aliens and SF and ideally let the ideas be discussed and debated and examined via the premise of different characters with different perspectives on a space ship.

Orville also wasn't locked into retarded EVERY EPISODE IS A MYTHOS EPISODE situation that plagues the modern series so badly.
Captain Syrup said:
If the official line is that DS9 just sprang fully formed with zero overlap or influence, I don't buy it.
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The similarities are so vast it cannot be understated how much of a rip-off DS9 feels like and why JMS should rightfully be pissed. It's a shame that B5 is left totally in the shadows compared to DS9 when I think a ton of fans of the latter would immediately latch onto the former. Which leads me to:
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Babylon 5 is better than DS9
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Not sure I'd go that far but your point about getting to things faster with less filler is spot on. I think generally it's just better written too. Could also be that it feels refreshing to look at SF races that aren't fucking Klingons or Vulcans.
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
Honestly not sure if this is a good choice.
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Increasingly show business is just elections but with slop instead of yard signs.

I'm not voting for anything, just ok which one of these will harm me the least?
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I'm re-watching The Orville. I don't know about you guys.
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I'm finishing up DS9 and might try Stargate: SG1 next. I never watched it when it aired and only ever saw the original movie on VHS. Legacy of the Galactic Heroes is also calling me but I think I'm done with watching Star Trek for awhile. If Paramount announces the complete decanonization of Kurzman Trek then I might celebrate with a Star Trek movie marathon.
 
I was surprised by how timeless some of those TOS episodes are. You're better off making a character-driven story than some current year political diatribe; one doesn't age at all, the other is obsolete by next week.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
I'm finishing up DS9 and might try Stargate: SG1 next. I never watched it when it aired and only ever saw the original movie on VHS. Legacy of the Galactic Heroes is also calling me but I think I'm done with watching Star Trek for awhile. If Paramount announces the complete decanonization of Kurzman Trek then I might celebrate with a Star Trek movie marathon.
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My memory of Stargate is hazy but overall it was pretty good. I weirdly remember being annoyed by the weapon handling of all things in the movie. Fuckers chambered at least 60 rounds before firing off a shot. They all do it in every scene with a weapon. Once you notice it, its all you hear.

From what I recall its a good series that tries to hard to not use magic for plots when its using magic for plots.
 
Whiskey said:
My memory of Stargate is hazy but overall it was pretty good. I weirdly remember being annoyed by the weapon handling of all things in the movie. Fuckers chambered at least 60 rounds before firing off a shot. They all do it in every scene with a weapon. Once you notice it, its all you hear.

From what I recall its a good series that tries to hard to not use magic for plots when its using magic for plots.
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Well I never really cared about the inconsistency of Stargate tech from season to season, which apparently drove fans nuts.

If I had to nitpick, the real problem was the endless stream of evil space pharaohs.

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People always cheer for Ba’al, mostly because he was the only one who could actually banter with O'Neill and company.
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I have not checked the thread for several weeks.
Captain Syrup said:
They brought back Ro….Big whoop. Didn’t excite me in the slightest. Seeing Michelle Forbes again was great, of course, but it’s obvious the producers don’t give a fuck about these people as characters, they’re just callbacks.
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It was great to see Michelle Forbes again as Ro but I didn't get that emotional connection between her and Picard. I don't think they were that close in the TNG episodes.

Curzon Dax-sama said:
Do you really want classic Trek to be written by wine aunts, trannies or failed fanfic fujos?
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It's already written by wine aunts and trannies. Isn't that how Kirsten Beyer got hired on Kurtzman Trek, by writing VOY books?

Tasty Tatty said:
I honestly remember this one more.

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The mind-rape scene was fucked up.
 
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Miller said:
It was great to see Michelle Forbes again as Ro but I didn't get that emotional connection between her and Picard. I don't think they were that close in the TNG episodes.
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He realized he thought a patriot was a traitor for decades. The indignation he felt was turned to respect and affection, and regret for what could have been.
 
Hunter Hearst Helmsley said:
All better than the Ori though. Wraith in Atlantis were a better followup.
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The Ori had their moments, I guess, but every time they showed up it felt like the same "I am the flame of your eternal suffering" dialog, no style. System Lords had swagger at least.

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Then, Vala's daughter, whatever the hell her name was...she’s like possessed or a vessel or some nonsense, and Vala's like, “I know you’re still in there." Oh, who tf cares. And then she dies like every other Ori goon.
 
Whiskey said:
My memory of Stargate is hazy but overall it was pretty good. I weirdly remember being annoyed by the weapon handling of all things in the movie. Fuckers chambered at least 60 rounds before firing off a shot. They all do it in every scene with a weapon. Once you notice it, its all you hear.

From what I recall its a good series that tries to hard to not use magic for plots when its using magic for plots.
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They were the first TV series to use the P90 and they used real ones, not converted semi-autos because I've seen a clip from the show where they're showing off their guns to some tribe and the gun fires a single round then goes to full auto due to the progressive trigger. I didn't realize there were so many Stargate shows. I have some vague memories of them being advertised on Sci-Fi back in the day but I had no idea there were three shows. Speaking of Sci-Fi channel, any recommendations for shows they produced besides Farscape and the Galactica reboot? I watched Farscape not too long ago for the first time since it aired. Amazing, as always.
 
Whiskey said:
Would any of the props be worth getting? I never watched learing academy but would there be any cool trek themed stuff I could pass off as coming from a better series?
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Would you buy a lens flare?

Curzon Dax-sama said:

They say nothing ever happens, but it's happening.
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You know what? If they made it like "The West Wing in space", that would be kino.
Sadly you need someone who writes like Aaron Sorkin on coke.

Captain Syrup said:
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He reminds me of Bane.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Speaking of Sci-Fi channel, any recommendations for shows they produced besides Farscape and the Galactica reboot?
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People will say Lexx but every episode I saw was a bad mushroom trip. They have a very bad track record outside of the already named shows. They picked up a couple seasons of good shows from elsewhere like MST3K and Sliders (and that's how Stargate got there originally). The Expanse seasons 1-3 is the only real post-StarFarGal hit for me.
 
Watching the DS9 episode Cardassians at the moment, absolute gem of an episode that I feel is underrated.

O’Brien finally meets a Cardassian he likes; a war orphan that hates his own people almost as much as Miles, proving once again that racism will always bring people together.

Garak shows up again, making it one of his earliest focus episodes. He’s great in it, his ‘Perhaps we have met!’ line is fantastic.

Sisko’s final decision about Rugal is probably the right one but it’s definitely a good indication of the darker tone of DS9.

Only thing that bothers me is that the kids makeup makes him look like a midget and it always throws me off.
 
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