Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

WhatIsThePunchline said:
Found a blog going through star trek books, specifically reading order.

Like all giant franchises it's a mess.

Behold:

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Probably out of date by now. The blog said to start with any series but personally I think it's obvious you start with the Garak books.

I have not read any of them.
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Of the ones I've read (Star Trek Destiny and a handful of other TNG/DS9 novels) the "relaunch" books are generally worth reading if you're interested in what happens after the end of the TV series and films. They do a good job of continuing the story, and were given more creative freedom with the storyline including killing off major characters.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I tried to binge trough VOY and got to about s3 before I just couldn't do it anymore.

I'm sorry guys, I just can't do it. I was bored to tears for so much of it and I want to put Neelix in a gas chamber.
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My first watch-through of Voyager I did the exact same thing. Later on I came back to it and liked it a lot more for some reason. Each subsequent watch I've liked it more and more, the opposite is true for DS9 for me.
 
WhatIsThePunchline said:
Found a blog going through star trek books, specifically reading order.

Like all giant franchises it's a mess.

Behold:

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Probably out of date by now. The blog said to start with any series but personally I think it's obvious you start with the Garak books.

I have not read any of them.
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I can vouch for Diane Duane's stuff, especially the Rihannsu series if you like TOS Romulans. A fair bit of their worldbuilding gets retconned in TNG, but they're still good reads.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I tried to binge trough VOY and got to about s3 before I just couldn't do it anymore.

I'm sorry guys, I just can't do it. I was bored to tears for so much of it and I want to put Neelix in a gas chamber.
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Just put on the last episode of S3 and start there.

Captain Syrup said:
There’s that episode where John and Scorpius go back to that mirror-joke dimension where everybody’s wearing the wrong makeup. There’s this hybrid of Claudia Black and Gigi Edgley running around.

Instead of having fun with it (going full Wormhole Rider on gray-skinned Claudia Black), John's like, “What if we make this bleak and annoying?” He has Scorpius kill her immediately so she can fall down and whisper some mystical dying code. Not everything has to be a funeral.
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Yeah, I feel like they tried too hard to subvert the whole optimistic Star Trek vibe and forgot you still have to balance all that depressing with some fun happy episodes or else people start thinking "well what's the point?" D'argo finally rescues his son but it turns out he's an asshole and bangs Chiana and immediately dips out. Well shit, what was the point in getting invested in the story then?
 
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Since nothing Star Trek related is happening I'm going to continue the SG1 posting.

I just finished season 1 and the episode with Senator Adm. Jellico has not aged well, at all. "Muh peace dividend" "Muh God will protect us!" I watched that episode with someone who didn't grow up in the 90s and she thought it was a joke. I had to explain to her what politicians were like back then. The first season is so 90s it hurts sometimes.
 
Gan Ying said:
This is the funniest and most baffling thing about Discovery bar none.

For a supposedly "woke" show to have a character explicitly designed to be Space Hitler become a good guy main character is an insane choice. Could have been an interesting contrasting character, but I think they just underthought it.

Based on what I've read, she never really apologizes or disavows her actions in the mirror universe either. Even if she had done a full on redemption arc, there's really no narratively satisfying redemption for a character like that besides death. Mass genocide and enslavement of aliens, gleeful murder, it's all chill. They introduce her by having her kill and eat the mirror version of a main character, which I would assume you would never do unless you wanted to make the audience hate a character. I guess it's just their culture on that side of the mirror.
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It's really cringe that Michelle Yeoh would take a role like this. It seems like the epitome of the Dragon Lady stereotype. And depicting Chinese people eating anything that moves.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Yeah, I feel like they tried too hard to subvert the whole optimistic Star Trek vibe and forgot you still have to balance all that depressing with some fun happy episodes or else people start thinking "well what's the point?" D'argo finally rescues his son but it turns out he's an asshole and bangs Chiana and immediately dips out. Well shit, what was the point in getting invested in the story then?
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The problem with Farscape is the writers forgot about five plot lines...So they infodump all of it into the TV movie.

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D'argo’s son comes back and it’s a different actor with a fake beard, Trust us.

Chiana causes more problems than she solves. She’s supposed to be this sneaky honey trap, and instead she’s just starting drama on the ship like Snooki. Rygel slowly turns into background noise.

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John is the only one who gets a full arc. His scenes with Kent McCord are great because it feels like classic TV wandered into this weird nightmare and tries to impose order.
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Since nothing Star Trek related is happening I'm going to continue the SG1 posting.

I just finished season 1 and the episode with Senator Adm. Jellico has not aged well, at all. "Muh peace dividend" "Muh God will protect us!" I watched that episode with someone who didn't grow up in the 90s and she thought it was a joke.
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SG-1 falls off the second it remembers politics exist.

William Devane just shows up as the President like, “don’t let the suit fool ya, pal" :smug: and it’s supposed to be badass....it’s just the writer going “AMERICA, FUCK YEAH" before we return to our regularly scheduled program about wormholes.
 
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That's seriously some of the cheapest shit I've ever seen a show do, especially considering the budget CBS can muster.
 
CervixHammer said:
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ZOOM, ENHANCE.
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At this point even the most retarded, most indoctrinated midwit should realize that Hollywood is nothing more than a massive scheme and taypayer funded psyop mill. Like, what the fuck is this? They couldn't 3D print original designs, which they by the way could have sold to the consoomers later?

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Listen. Trek fumbled a lot of merchandise opportunities in the past, but they had so much cool stuff in the 90s, that I can look past that. But today they have nothing, and they can't even design and produce original shit for their series or adapt existing items enough that they're looking like stuff that could logically exist in Trek. What in the name of holy fuck, how bad and incompetent do you have to be?
 
The thing you have to remember with Farscape is that it is very much European Sci-Fi and influenced by shows like Blake's 7, that were all about showing how bad things can get if people stop fighting against oppression and what happens if the opposite happens and the whole system breaks down. I like that as much as Star trek so I have always enjoyed Farscape and the puppet work is some of the most amazing ever put to film.

One thing I like is the writers never forgot that most of the characters are criminals and thus are selfish to some degree and will need to be given a very good reason to risk their lives. Most shows that feature criminals lose me because the writers forget this fact and just have them start acting like your standard issue TV heroes at some point. Criminals have to be motivated by self interest and Farscape remembers this while still having some fun with the characters and despite the fact that they had to cram season five into a mini series I think it ended in a good place.

Another thing to remember is that in Star Trek the character are choosing to work together on the Enterprise and have all been through the same training, in Farscape the characters are forced to work together because they have nowhere else to go, some of them are from races that have been fighting for a long time, and they have no training, the dynamic is going to be different and thus the two shows are going to appeal to different people, that doesn't make one of them better than the other IMO.
 
Flexo said:
Oh yeah. It is one of the ones people are told to skip.
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Interesting fact the reason SG1 stopped doing the cringe super feminist episodes and things like the stupid speech Carter gave in the pilot is that Amanda Tapping asked the writers to stop because she felt the male feminists on the staff were writing lines that no woman would write or say in real life and it was turning her character into a bitch who didn't respect her commanding officer.

Strange to think we now live in a time where this sort of content is everywhere and every female character acts like the bitchy version of Carter's character.
 
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