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Keep in mind, these people were canonically blown away by Suicide Squad and The Force Awakens.
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European copies of TNG, DS9, and Voyager are sped up and pitched up slightly to convert from 24fps to the PAL 50hz standard.
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that makes sense why I've run into it randomly but cant recall exactly when
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I downloaded some of these PAL rips by accident when building out my media library and only noticed when all my subtitles were slightly off. Very irritating.
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I got to S3E8 of The Orville and forgot how retarded it was.
Haveena had one task as part of her official diplomatic agreement with the Moclans: stop smuggling Moclan females off of Moclus. The Union sacrificed a ton of political capital to get this and Haveena's first move as the leader of a precarious colony is... to violate her diplomatic agreement and continue to smuggle Moclan females off of Moclus. Then, in service to this blatant breach of a diplomatic agreement preventing her colony's utter destruction, she deliberately enlists the aid of a child because she knows that child has access to better communications technology than she does. Captain Mercer berates Haveena for this, rightly so (which is not explored again in the rest of the episode), but Haveena refuses to testify before the Union Council, thus ensuring a child's death, as well as ensuring her network will be compromised and her colony will be seized in violation of aforementioned diplomatic agreement.
It isn't until a hologram of Dolly Parton convinces her to do the right thing. Even then, she pulls a Curly from Hey Arnold!:
She flat out tells the Union Council she did it, she doesn't care that she did it, she'd do it again, and she didn't care that it endangered the child of a Union officer until the hologram of a long-dead country music star convinced her. Haveena demonstrates to the Union that she:
The hardest part for me is the automatic expectation that, in Season 4, Haveena will face no consequences for this. Her planet will be all hunky dory, an all-female utopia, nothing to see here, no insane child-sacrificing revolutionary leader, ain't nobody here but us chickens.
At least they reckoned with Isaac's actions in Season 2 at the beginning of Season 3, so there's a glimmer of hope.
Haveena had one task as part of her official diplomatic agreement with the Moclans: stop smuggling Moclan females off of Moclus. The Union sacrificed a ton of political capital to get this and Haveena's first move as the leader of a precarious colony is... to violate her diplomatic agreement and continue to smuggle Moclan females off of Moclus. Then, in service to this blatant breach of a diplomatic agreement preventing her colony's utter destruction, she deliberately enlists the aid of a child because she knows that child has access to better communications technology than she does. Captain Mercer berates Haveena for this, rightly so (which is not explored again in the rest of the episode), but Haveena refuses to testify before the Union Council, thus ensuring a child's death, as well as ensuring her network will be compromised and her colony will be seized in violation of aforementioned diplomatic agreement.
It isn't until a hologram of Dolly Parton convinces her to do the right thing. Even then, she pulls a Curly from Hey Arnold!:
She flat out tells the Union Council she did it, she doesn't care that she did it, she'd do it again, and she didn't care that it endangered the child of a Union officer until the hologram of a long-dead country music star convinced her. Haveena demonstrates to the Union that she:
- will flagrantly violate diplomatic agreements
- is openly revolutionary and does not care or understand that you can't do that as part of a larger political alliance
- will sacrifice children for her revolutionary goals
- can be convinced to do something based on a hologram
The hardest part for me is the automatic expectation that, in Season 4, Haveena will face no consequences for this. Her planet will be all hunky dory, an all-female utopia, nothing to see here, no insane child-sacrificing revolutionary leader, ain't nobody here but us chickens.
At least they reckoned with Isaac's actions in Season 2 at the beginning of Season 3, so there's a glimmer of hope.
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Were they blown away by TFA? I remember them being scared that it was gonna be bad and then Wesley said some ST isn’t that good, to which they agreed
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Oh come on, it was a great episode.
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I'm not comparing Whedon to Tolkien in quality, I'm saying that for both, condemn the man for what he's guilty of, not what his imitators ripped off. (Now Tolkien just happens to be largely flawless as a writer.)
Ok so now you have my autism going...
Alexandar showed up in S4 Reunion, after being conceived in the S2 episode "The Emissary." So that would put him at 2 years old. In S6, DS9 had a crossover with TNG with the episode "Birthright." Given that lines up with the DS9 S1 episode "Q-Less" that means Alexander would be 6 now when DS9 begins. His next appearance would be the DS9 S6 episode "Sons and Daughters" which means... he would have been 12 years old.
Which... yeah I could see Klingons employing 12 year olds on their starships. Would explain a lot of things, actually.
I'm starting to wonder if you actually watch these shows. They state in Angel, multiple times, that the Wolfram and Hart contracts are so binding, you have to keep working even after death. It's literally stated in the scene you posted an image from:I love how these W&H guys just respawn
The time he locked the doors on the bloodsuckers (and the vampires) was stone cold.
And this is also what I mean by Whedon does have real writing talent that his imitators don't. The line is a direct quote-back to something the old guy said earlier to Angel in the story, and it's played dead serious here. A quip that isn't played for laughs but for chills. Not for the villains' lives, but for the hero's soul.
The Moclans is one of my biggest hangups with the Orville. If it's a single-sex race, then they're not "all male." If they're forcibly transitioning females so that they are actually "all male", then how in the world can they possibly reproduce? If they've figured out artificial incubation to produce eggs to continue to make more Moclans, then how in the world have they not figured out yet how to automatically select for only male embryos and not even have to bother with forced transitions???
It's like my issue with Blade Runner 2099 (or whatever the number) - how can you have the technology to implant and view memories, and NOT be able to have breeding replicants? We have breeding now on earth, with our technology, and can't even come close to that level of mind tech. Like it's a bunch of writers who understand tech so little they can't understand that in order to get to one solution you show the subject having, they would HAVE to pass over and solve what you say is a problem.
(and this often bugs me in the reverse when I talk with some people who have the opposite problem and believe if someone has solved one thing, they should have the solutions to others - when fields might be completely unrelated)
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It's what happens when the writers want a particular impression or outcome without stress-testing the common sense of their premise. I think the first episode with Topa's forced transition made the universe more interesting. Season 3 was borderline preachy. At least Captain Mercer chastised Haveena and then screamed at Malloy to shut the fuck up. I guess. I'm hoping Season 4 is less stupid but I'm not going to cry here if it does.