Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Flexo said:
This, this, a thousand times this.

You can have a passing of torches to new characters, that can be fine, but don't shit on what came before. Otherwise why use the name?

Fans loved Batman Beyond for a reason. You could keep everything about the show the same and have Terry be "Teri" - a colored woman - as long as you still had respect for Bruce.

Hell I could buy Burnham as the love child of Spock and Urhura if she struggled to find her place in Starfleet and wasn't the bestest ever at everything.

In Picard I could buy a Federation that's changed, after a devastating Dominion war. Throw in another Borg conflict after Voyager poked the hive and we could have a Federation that was desperate for manpower and forced to create synthetics. But you'd have to show a Federation that felt conflicted about it. A Starfleet that knew it was losing its way, but didn't have any good options.

But then that would make the plot nuanced and complicated. It would show respect to the past. And we know we can't let nuance get in the way of our morality tales or the past be respected in any way.
Click to expand...

Which is exactly why it worked seeing the Federation go wobbly in DS9. The people were good people pushed to their desperate limits in an existential crisis. They were not mustache twirling villains. Even Sisko basically asking himself "I can live with it...?" after he tricked the Romulans into the war showed they were not celebrating their actions, either the characters themselves or the writers.

So why 2 decades later is literally the entire Federation composed of sadists and nihilists who are not conflicted about being assholes and the things they are doing, but are even openly proud and happy about it. And apparently the public is 100% behind them. It's never even attempted to be explained why the Federation public decided to let the Romulans, who were a few years removed from being allies against the Dominion die because of an android attack on utopia planitia. Even at the height of the dominion war the activities of section 31 were a highly kept secret precisely because the political leadership and public would not stand for it if it was known. All of that has changed, we're not told how or why, and now both the political leadership and population want billions of Romulans to die because robots attacked Mars or something.

Shit don't make no sense
 
In his livestream, Robert Meyer Burnett was talking about the lack of world building in the Picard spin-off, he's right. What is the situation in the quadrant besides "Federation man bad"? Where are the klingons? The Orions? The Vulcans? The Andorians? How come we only see humans, romulans and gimmicky aliens?
 
Miller said:
In his livestream, Robert Meyer Burnett was talking about the lack of world building in the Picard spin-off, he's right. What is the situation in the quadrant besides "Federation man bad"? Where are the klingons? The Orions? The Vulcans? The Andorians? How come we only see humans, romulans and gimmicky aliens?
Click to expand...


Jay doesn't know those.
 
I was busy with work so i couldn't get around to writing my thoughts on the latest episode.

But having seen it just now, I don't think there's anything to really say. This legitimately might be one of the most insulting episodes I've ever seen. Not just in Star Trek (not that this counts as being in the same franchise for me), but in television overall. Alex Kurtzman is a fucking hack and Stewart should be ashamed of agreeing to do this shit.

Why is the Federation so evil? What the fuck happened between Nemesis and Picard?
Why is everyone just shitting on Picard in every single episode? Even Seven did it. They fooled us for just a moment by having her and Picard have a small moment whre they talk about their experiences being Borg but then she goes all "lmao fuck him, mercy is for the weak" PEW PEW.
What the fuck would Janeway think of Seven? She never wanted her to turn out this way, she was a mother figure to her. Seven should feel some shame for her actions.
Why was that first scene necessary? Who was it for? I am fine with gore, the Saw movies were my guily pleasure, but there is a time and a place for shit like this. Star Trek had some gory moments in the past, no denying it, but it wasn't shoved in your face. Does Kurtzman get off on this shit?
How is Raffi a drug addict? How has this not been cured in the future? I think it was Crusher who said almost every disease was cured by their time, I would think shit like getting over some black market drugs would be a walk in the park. Also, how did she even get to that point when it seemed like she just stayed on Earth all this time? Did the writers forget (yes) Earth is as close to an utopia as you can get?
What the fuck was the tone of the episode supposed to be? It went from edgy>whacky>romantic>drama>action, roughly. None of it worked together and made it seem like 7 different writers and 17 producers couldn't decide on what they wanted this episode to be so they just threw it all together.
What does Frakes, who directed this episode, honestly think of this material? It must feel like night and day going from this to The Orville.
 
trekkor said:
How is Raffi a drug addict? How has this not been cured in the future?
Click to expand...
It's not like there's some very high profile incident of a writer trying to introduce drug addiction in Star Trek early on in the IP's existence and getting the idea completely shot the fuck down by everybody involved with the production or anything.
 
Closest we got was Garak using the Obsidian Order wire to "tolerate" Bashir's presence. Not a Starfleet character.
 
Titan Lithos said:
Closest we got was Garak using the Obsidian Order wire to "tolerate" Bashir's presence. Not a Starfleet character.
Click to expand...
Then they did it with T'Pal in Enterprise.

So... yeah. Any argument invoking Enterprise as proof is disproven.
 
XYZpdq said:
It's not like there's some very high profile incident of a writer trying to introduce drug addiction in Star Trek early on in the IP's existence and getting the idea completely shot the fuck down by everybody involved with the production or anything.
Click to expand...

I'm not familiar with that story. Share?
 
MembersSchoolPizza said:
I'm not familiar with that story. Share?
Click to expand...
The TOS episode City On The Edge Of Forever was written originally by legendary Sci-Fi Cranky Bastard Harlan Ellison, famous for trying to sue the internet decades before it was fashionable. He wanted junkies on the Enterprise shooting up space smack and everybody else told him that was dumb.
 
Miller said:
I have not but I think I might start soon. I've heard that certain characters (including Amos) are way different in the books.
Click to expand...
The biggest issue I've had with the show is that they added a LOT of fake drama compared to the books. The first season is almost a Jerry springer-ized version.

Just a small example, but in the books everyone respects Holden as captain, compared to the show where it feels like he's going to get shanked by everyone. It never really made sense to me, since you'd have to understand how to be friendly in a glorified shipping container

Season 4 thankfully toned down all that nonsense with the exception of Bobbie.
 
Finished TNG which was great, I loved all of it, even if there were a bunch of stinkers mixed in there. Really liked the last season, one of my favorite episodes was The Lower Decks which focused on a few Junior Officers and their relations to the main crew and duties. I'd also like to give Journey's End a big brown spotlight for possibly being the dumbest thing I've ever seen, there was stuff I liked but goddamn did it get dumb. Bringing back Wes just to write them out a third time in the worst way possible was bizarre, but its clear they did it to at least give every cast member (sans Quinan and Polaski) something for the last season. From what I've heard the movies are mostly trash, but are any of them worth watching still?

Started on DS9 as well, I liked that Sisco and Picard had issues. Its been a little bumpy as well to start, but I like the new characters; Odo, Dax and the Doctor seem neat. Having O'Brien as a main is probably my favorite thing about it so far, he was always a favorite side character in TNG.
 
ProfDongs said:
From what I've heard the movies are mostly trash, but are any of them worth watching still?
Click to expand...
First Contact is okay as a movie but in hindsight you'll notice a lot of Trek going downhill seemed to pop up there.
 
XYZpdq said:
The TOS episode City On The Edge Of Forever was written originally by legendary Sci-Fi Cranky Bastard Harlan Ellison, famous for trying to sue the internet decades before it was fashionable. He wanted junkies on the Enterprise shooting up space smack and everybody else told him that was dumb.
Click to expand...

But yet in TNG they had Barclay become a holodeck addict. Harlan was right again!

Checkmate atheists.
 
trekkor said:
I was busy with work so i couldn't get around to writing my thoughts on the latest episode.

But having seen it just now, I don't think there's anything to really say. This legitimately might be one of the most insulting episodes I've ever seen. Not just in Star Trek (not that this counts as being in the same franchise for me), but in television overall. Alex Kurtzman is a fucking hack and Stewart should be ashamed of agreeing to do this shit.

Why is the Federation so evil? What the fuck happened between Nemesis and Picard?
Why is everyone just shitting on Picard in every single episode? Even Seven did it. They fooled us for just a moment by having her and Picard have a small moment whre they talk about their experiences being Borg but then she goes all "lmao fuck him, mercy is for the weak" PEW PEW.
What the fuck would Janeway think of Seven? She never wanted her to turn out this way, she was a mother figure to her. Seven should feel some shame for her actions.
Why was that first scene necessary? Who was it for? I am fine with gore, the Saw movies were my guily pleasure, but there is a time and a place for shit like this. Star Trek had some gory moments in the past, no denying it, but it wasn't shoved in your face. Does Kurtzman get off on this shit?
How is Raffi a drug addict? How has this not been cured in the future? I think it was Crusher who said almost every disease was cured by their time, I would think shit like getting over some black market drugs would be a walk in the park. Also, how did she even get to that point when it seemed like she just stayed on Earth all this time? Did the writers forget (yes) Earth is as close to an utopia as you can get?
What the fuck was the tone of the episode supposed to be? It went from edgy>whacky>romantic>drama>action, roughly. None of it worked together and made it seem like 7 different writers and 17 producers couldn't decide on what they wanted this episode to be so they just threw it all together.
What does Frakes, who directed this episode, honestly think of this material? It must feel like night and day going from this to The Orville.
Click to expand...
I'm insulted Picard has a pit bull. It's not even a normal pit bull, it's one of those ghetto abominations with clipped ears, huge chest and short legs.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom