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Feline Supremacist said:
I'm insulted Picard has a pit bull. It's not even a normal pit bull, it's one of those ghetto abominations with clipped ears, huge chest and short legs.
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Someone really should've told Stewart "no" when he wanted to add a shitbull to the show. It honestly doesn't even work for a guy like Picard.
 
Feline Supremacist said:
I'm insulted Picard has a pit bull. It's not even a normal pit bull, it's one of those ghetto abominations with clipped ears, huge chest and short legs.
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I noticed the pit bull hasn't been in a single episode since the first one. I feel like them gave him it for one episode to make his political statement, and then took it away. Or maybe it mauled someone.
I think it's actually his pit bull, and it's a rescue with a sketchy past, it's basically a disaster waiting to happen.
 
I caught up on the last three episodes. The last episode reminded me of an Always Sunny episode. Video related, this is Seven of Nine in that episode

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Charlie Day doin his thing. It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
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Seeing as how I haven't seen it in over 2 years since the end of the first season, I decided to re-watch the Orville from the beginning (and finally watch season 2 when I get to it.) I'm a few episodes in now, and man...

I've already said nothing but good things about this show, (mostly in the backhanded vein of "it isn't so bad, considering it came from the guy who gave us Family Guy") but... I really don't think I appreciated this show enough when I first saw it. This is definitely the Star Trek I fell in love with... And maybe it took me seeing just how bad Trek is in current year to fully appreciate that fact...

Ok, so yeah, when I first watched the Orville, (while kind of liking it) I *might* have slightly dismissed it out of hand as simply being a Seth McFarlane vanity project (which, ok also yeah, it totally *is* a Seth McFarlane vanity project...), but I also failed to realize that McFarlane is a genuine Star Trek fan... (Which automatically gives him a leg up on Kurtzman) So yeah... (And FUCK Kurtzman.)

Hell... by episode 4 they even made me, a textbook misogynist, like the whore who cheated on Captain Mercer. That only happens with good writing.

I'm not even there yet, but why tf has it taken so long for season 3 to come out?
 
Cyril Sneer said:
Let me rephrase: I thought that by the time of the Nexus Incident he had definitely gotten over it.
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Picard hating children was one of his oldest character traits.... And he was still clearly still uncomfortable with them by the time that the entire ship had a "Captain Picard Day" (for children) in 7x12 "The Pegasus"

I don't really consider "movie Picard" to be in the same canon as "show Picard", (And the less we say about Picard in S:TP the better) and it's ok if you don't agree with me... But ignoring all that, what really changed between the end of TNG and the movies? Picard's nephew died in Generations, why do you think that would make him ok with children??
 
UnKillFill said:
Picard hating children was one of his oldest character traits.... And he was still clearly still uncomfortable with them by the time that the entire ship had a "Captain Picard Day" (for children) in 7x12 "The Pegasus"

I don't really consider "movie Picard" to be in the same canon as "show Picard", (And the less we say about Picard in S:TP the better) and it's ok if you don't agree with me... But ignoring all that, what really changed between the end of TNG and the movies? Picard's nephew died in Generations, why do you think that would make him ok with children??
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The nephew was so cursed he gave Picard PTSD around children until he died and then Picard was freed from his distaste for children and became an action man, like that king guy in lord of the rings when Gandalf made Wormtounge piss off and de-aged the king guy.

Fuck man remember when the worst of ST was Enterprise and action Picard movies? If only we knew what horrors awaited.
 
Racist Trash said:
Fuck man remember when the worst of ST was Enterprise and action Picard movies? If only we knew what horrors awaited.
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That is the very same reason I went from liking to loving The Orville...
 
UnKillFill said:
Picard hating children was one of his oldest character traits.... And he was still clearly still uncomfortable with them by the time that the entire ship had a "Captain Picard Day" (for children) in 7x12 "The Pegasus"

I don't really consider "movie Picard" to be in the same canon as "show Picard", (And the less we say about Picard in S:TP the better) and it's ok if you don't agree with me... But ignoring all that, what really changed between the end of TNG and the movies? Picard's nephew died in Generations, why do you think that would make him ok with children??
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I think the change from series to movies might be explained, if at all, as being in large part a cascading outgrowth of Picard's experiences with the Borg (and maybe Gul Madred), first in the series, and then later in the films. To get back to the original point of contention, though, the whole appeal of the Nexus for Dr. Soran was that it creates a sort of alternate reality based off of one's fondest desires, and when Picard ends up in the Nexus, we see him surrounded by dozens of children and grandchildren...
 
Cyril Sneer said:
I think the change from series to movies might be explained, if at all, as being in large part a cascading outgrowth of Picard's experiences with the Borg (and maybe Gul Madred), first in the series, and then later in the films. To get back to the original point of contention, though, the whole appeal of the Nexus for Dr. Soran was that it creates a sort of alternate reality based off of one's fondest desires, and when Picard ends up in the Nexus, we see him surrounded by dozens of children and grandchildren...
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The Nexus wasn't real... And Soran was clearly wrong about it... (Are we really meant to believe that what we saw of Kirk in there was *his* fondest desire? I doubt it.)

Side note, Kirk always said he knew he was going to die *on the* bridge, not under one...
 
UnKillFill said:
The Nexus wasn't real...
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That's a bit too much of an absolute, blanket statement. Whatever it is, the Nexus has time-and-space altering powers such that Picard and Kirk are able to travel backward chronologically to the point before Soran launched his star-destroying missile, so unless you want to argue that everything Picard experienced from that point onwards is just another Nexus-generated fantasy...

UnKillFill said:
And Soran was clearly wrong about it...
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I don't know about Soran, but it seems quite apparent from the scene (which I slightly misremembered; there are only young children present, not grown children and grandchildren) that Picard is actually quite charmed by the domestic tableau: pay attention particularly to how he smiles and laughs delightedly while stating that "these are my children!"


However, as charming as it is, it's not an actual, lived experience of Picard's, and while it's not stated outright, I think the scene is played in such a way as to indicate that it's this inauthenticity, combined with the fact that Picard's presence in the Nexus comes at the cost of Soran's destroying an inhabited star system, that motivates Picard to (somewhat regretfully) leave his family that-never-was and go in search of Kirk's assistance in stopping Soran.

UnKillFill said:
(Are we really meant to believe that what we saw of Kirk in there was *his* fondest desire? I doubt it.)
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I don't think Kirk is the type to be satisfied with any engineered alternate reality that the Nexus could produce for him, and as such, his tidy domestic fantasy is merely an attempt to keep himself from going insane, similar to prisoners in long-term solitary confinement mentally building dream-houses brick by brick.

UnKillFill said:
Side note, Kirk always said he knew he was going to die *on the* bridge, not under one...
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Well, he technically was "on" the bridge immediately prior to his death...😉
 
Cyril Sneer said:
I don't think Kirk is the type to be satisfied with any engineered alternate reality that the Nexus could produce for him, and as such, his tidy domestic fantasy is merely an attempt to keep himself from going insane, similar to prisoners in long-term solitary confinement mentally building dream-houses brick by brick.
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We know he spent the first few decades having green women orgies.

*sigh* I wish generations had been an adaption of...
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Federation (novel)

At last, the long awaited novel featuring both famous crews of the starships Enterprise in an epic adventure that spans time and space. Captain Kirk and the crew of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) are faced with their most challenging mission yet - rescuing renowned scientist Zefram Cochrane from...
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(Not just my pick for best Trek novel, but a great scifi novel in general.)
 
Apparently STP has a bunch of DLC content in the form of books and comics instead of putting it in the TV show and making it better.

Any of this shit worth reading?
 
TaimuRadiu said:
Apparently STP has a bunch of DLC content in the form of books and comics instead of putting it in the TV show and making it better.

Any of this shit worth reading?
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I read the first chapter of some STP prequel comic when it came out but honestly, I foget how it was. Fine enough, I guess. They're more tolerable since you don't have to listen to shitty dialogue (just read it, though I don't think it was too bad) or watch Stewart barely remembering what he has to do in his scenes.
 
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