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TaimuRadiu said:
Any of this shit worth reading?
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Not really. The "Countdown" comic (the Picard one, not the ST 2009) is meh, it serves one purpose: to introduce Raffi (who called him JL even when she was his XO) and the romulan couple/slaves who work in Picard's vineyard.
The final issue of the comic was supposed to be released before the premiere but it got delayed (probably to retcon a few things).
 
why does picard have romulan slaves

why does picard just go around being an asshole to people who don't deserve it (starfleet academy admiral, the romulan bar that said "no humans, you can walk around just don't go in here)

how are the romulan slaves supported

is private property even supposed to exist, how do you get it on earth (picard vineyard in particular, I know admiral kirk had his own apartment but I thought when I first saw wrath of khan WHEN I WAS SEVEN it had to do with him being a higher up in the starfleet)
 
TaimuRadiu said:
why does picard have romulan slaves

why does picard just go around being an asshole to people who don't deserve it (starfleet academy admiral, the romulan bar that said "no humans, you can walk around just don't go in here)

how are the romulan slaves supported

is private property even supposed to exist, how do you get it on earth (picard vineyard in particular, I know admiral kirk had his own apartment but I thought when I first saw wrath of khan WHEN I WAS SEVEN it had to do with him being a higher up in the starfleet)
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MagneticTowels said:
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what even were the romulans doing there

romulans are known for being crafty not just throwing away something because "bored now"

I'd rather not count Nemesis as canon, or, if canon, I'd like to see some of the aftereffects explored IN PICARD and not in some shitty tie in novel TO picard
 
TaimuRadiu said:
why does picard have romulan slaves
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I don't know if they have explained in the comic why the two former Tal Shiar agents decided to work for Picard. It's such a radical change of lifestyle. They're not slaves though, it's a joke, even though it looks like it.

I'd rather not count Nemesis as canon
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To be honest, canon means nothing anymore. Kurtzman retconned his own canon (the events in the other Countdown comic that lead to ST 2009 never happened), the only thing that ruins the world building is the supernova mystery box.
 
Tookie said:
He realized Wesley is a faggot and normal kids don't act like him.
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There was also the episode where he got stuck in the elevator with 3 kids, and had to get over his whole "I don't like kids" thing because he was the only adult with them.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
why does picard have romulan slaves

why does picard just go around being an asshole to people who don't deserve it (starfleet academy admiral, the romulan bar that said "no humans, you can walk around just don't go in here)

how are the romulan slaves supported

is private property even supposed to exist, how do you get it on earth (picard vineyard in particular, I know admiral kirk had his own apartment but I thought when I first saw wrath of khan WHEN I WAS SEVEN it had to do with him being a higher up in the starfleet)
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On the plus side, it does provide ideal mayme fodder...
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Miller said:
I don't know if they have explained in the comic why the two former Tal Shiar agents decided to work for Picard. It's such a radical change of lifestyle. They're not slaves though, it's a joke, even though it looks like it.


To be honest, canon means nothing anymore. Kurtzman retconned his own canon (the events in the other Countdown comic that lead to ST 2009 never happened), the only thing that ruins the world building is the supernova mystery box.
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Yeah they're just former agents of the Romulan secret police just chilling on Chateau Picard, not at all being monitored by the Starfleet Security admiral who's there on Earth claiming she's a Vulcanian despite Romulans being dissimiliar enough from Vulcanians to reject blood transfusions and organ transplants.

Judge Holden said:
On the plus side, it does provide ideal mayme fodder...
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"Where's my house nigger? I want an Earl Grey, hot"
 
So, apparently the reason ST: Picard is nothing like TNG is because Patrick Steward actually asked it to be darker and for Jean Luc Picard to be burdened by disappointments and regrets.

In fact, not only is ST Picard different from TNG by design, but Patrick Steward explicitly gave as a condition for his return that it shouldn't be anything like TNG.

“Hello, and welcome. I hear what you’re saying. A lot of people were probably hoping for something like that. But it’s not really a missed opportunity, because there was no opportunity to make a Picard show like that, because it would not have had a Picard. Sir Patrick was clear from the start that he would only come back to do something that felt challenging to him, and totally different from TNG. Actually, “Jean-Luc hanging out in a strange neighborhood” kind of perfectly sums up the approach he wanted us to take. And that’s okay, because we already have TNG, seven seasons of it, plus the films. I never get tired of watching them.”
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“I understand. Star Trek is diversifying and expanding rapidly. Some of the forthcoming series will be appropriate and intended for family viewing. Picard, as you have correctly observed, is not. It never will never be. It was never intended to be. Sir Patrick was very clear and explicit with us, from the outset, that his returning to the role of Jean-Luc Picard, like his previous return to the role of Professor X in LOGAN, depended on our creating a series written and intended for an older, more mature audience, about an older, more battered hero, one that would accurately reflect and take into account the burden of years, disappointments, and regrets. So that is what we set about doing.”
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Star Trek: Picard Showrunner Michael Chabon Addresses Fan Concerns Over Graphic Violence And Dark Tone

Star Trek: Picard showrunner and writer Michael Chabon recently did an impromptu Q&A on his Instagram where he addressed a number of fan concerns regarding the newly released Star Trek show.
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In other words, Patrick Steward could've asked for a show more like TNG, but, instead, he wanted to basically replicate Logan, but with Star Trek. TBH, it seems a huge part this show is this bad is thanks to him.

He was more interested in ranting about current year issues than actually continuing the legacy of Star Trek.
 
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Some actual good things from the latest episode
  • Bless Hugh, he's one of the best characters, if not THE best, in this show. I think he's the first person to actually be happy to see Picard again and doesn't bitch and whine how he abandoned the Romulans/Federation/Borg/whatever bullshit. It was actually good to see him and Picard interact again. If Hugh gets killed by those Rommie incest siblings, I will fucking riot.
  • Also it was wholesome to see ex-Borg drones recover from their physicals scars. It wasn't a long scene, but it gave us a lot of humanity to these people.
  • I'm not sure Picard should have this much trauma over being in a Borg Cube again considering last time he was on one he smacked the Borg Queen around and blasted some Borgs on a holodeck with a Tommy gun. But you know, it's acceptable. The scene of Locutus' face overlaying with his was a bit much, but still effective.
  • While I think it's not done super well, at least they're trying to give some character development to Picard's crew. I'm kinda over Raffi and her alcoholism (mostly because I refuse to accept she even got to this point while living on Earth, but whatever), but at least it's something. The out-of-nowhere kiss between Han Solo and the Doctor lady was weird and made me think how much they're rushing the romance on the show, but you can see it as a casual sex kinda thing, so again, not the worst. It's a hell of a lot better than anything STD has tried to do.
  • It's hilarious how Bong Rommie has more sexual tension with his sister than the woman he is sleeping with/has developed feelings for.
  • I liked the scene of whatsherface Android freaking out over realising nothing she owns is older than three years. Her later recovering her dream/memory/programming was a nice scene as well and I'm curious what the deal with the "homeworld" is.
  • One scene I didn't like was Picard clapping and cheering after an woman with a problem with alcohol basically ruins a friendship just to gain diplomatic access to the Borg Cube. I get what they were going for, but she seemed so disgusted by herself that it feels tone deaf of Picard to congratulate her for it.
  • I wonder about the ship EMH. Shouldn't his own programming have kicked in when he realised there was a man dying on the ship? I mean, he came on, yes, but got dismissed so easily by the Doctor lady. I still find that hard to believe and I find it even harder to believe the EMH didn't report something weird was going on with Maddox's death and the lady just dismissed him. I hope it's something that will come up in a future episode, but right now it's a major oversight.
  • A small thing, but when Hugh, Picard and Android lady were escaping while in the Borg Queen's quarters, how did they not notice the Romulan guards right by them? If Elrond hadn't ignored Picard's orders, they would've been... well, okay, I guess since Android lady's programming had kicked in and she could obviously take then out easily. I feel like the writers made the scene more complicated than it needed to be.
So far, this has been the best episode of the season. Actual interesting things happened and I liked seeing Hugh and Picard interact. Riker and Troi will show up next episode and I'm looking forward to that.
 
>Someone important died on the not-Rocinante a few minutes before
>Eh, let's move on, people die, it just happens. Also the doc (who just lost her husband) is already having sex with the captain.
No one seems to be affected by the death of that Mystery Box even though they were looking for him for 5 episodes. No one on board tries to get more info from the EMH. I guess Kurtzman (or his writer) kinda forgot that there was a EMH.
>Let's all clap for the alcoholic!
Yeah... no, there's nothing cool about that. I'm having flashbacks of the "power of math" scene from STD.
It was weird to see Picard hate the Borg at the beginning of the episode and later do a 180 when he met Hugh.
That random "Ayo, Locutus!" :story:

trekkor said:
One scene I didn't like was Picard clapping and cheering after an woman with a problem with alcohol basically ruins a friendship just to gain diplomatic access to the Borg Cube. I get what they were going for, but she seemed so disgusted by herself that it feels tone deaf of Picard to congratulate her for it.
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Yeah it didn't feel right. I understand that they want a drunk character on their edgy Star Trek but she isn't likable and writing that kind of validation (let's all clap, it's so fucking cool) and turning her into a laughing stock won't help.
Saul Tigh was a likable character, Mr Garibaldi too. She isn't and probably will never be.
 
I don't like any of the new characters aside from the Romulan groundskeeper couple. I'm not interested in a 24th century crackhead fucking up her life. Captain Jack or whatever his name is is so generic I can't bring myself to care. Blonde scientist woman was mildly annoying but tolerable until they made her a cliched turncoat. There is no way Elrond can fight off people with energy guns using only a fucking metal sword. Android girl is miscast by using a very young and pretty actress in a role where it makes it hard to take her seriously as some kind of scientist/robot.

The whole show has been infected by this trend of introducing "myth" and fairytale bullshit into what is ostensibly science fiction. Modern Doctor Who was ruined by this as well.
 
FrickinFrackinFruckin said:
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I'm glad that Mike didn't pussy out and kept the segment about Icheb in. I believe that what happened to Icheb isn't random. The same thing happened to Lorca in the first season of STD. For Lorca, I think that the showrunners who took over - after Fuller was fired - were sick of that character and wanted him gone. The way they killed him was also distrurbing: he basically used Trump's campaign slogan "make the Terran Empire glorious again" and got killed from behind with a sword before falling into the core/black hole thing.

edit: I forgot to talk about the Groundhog Day episode with Mudd killing Lorca over and over in many various ways possible.
 
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I haven't seen the show, but I'm still trying to make sense of this whole Romulan supernova thing.

First off, it's not going to trigger some sort of refugee crisis; a Star Trek empire that covers a visible slice of the galaxy is too big for that. It's like saying that Washington DC gets wiped out in some natural disaster so American refugees flee to China. Ridiculous. And it sounds like an evacuation fleet was being built, but got blown up by robot terrorists... so how did the Federation "abandon" the Romulans, exactly? And why is everyone pissed off at Picard?

I could buy something where the loss of the metropole sets off a multi-faction civil war, which in turn sets off a refugee crisis.

A supernova might plausibly affect another solar system if it were directly north or south of the nova (well, magnetic north or south). That would actually be kind of interesting because it sets off a catastrophe in the future. Prolapse IV is four light years from the supernova so now we have four years to evacuate the planet before the gamma ray burst hits. In that period, all sorts of crazy stuff might go down.

I really think they came up with a situation, but have absolutely no idea what chain of events might lead to that.
 
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