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UnKillFill said:
Wasn't the Asian chick a black dude in the original?
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Yes, Ron Moore took a show with two prominent black male characters in the main cast and made one of them an Irish drunk and the other an "ornamental Oriental" and somehow suffered no apparent backlash whatsoever. Perhaps the proto-SJWs in the audience were too busy creaming themselves over Katee Sackhoff, the female president character or the abortion episode to notice. 🙃
 
Pixy Misa said:
So, apparently the reason ST: Picard is nothing like TNG is because Patrick Steward actually asked it to be darker and for Jean Luc Picard to be burdened by disappointments and regrets.

In fact, not only is ST Picard different from TNG by design, but Patrick Steward explicitly gave as a condition for his return that it shouldn't be anything like TNG.





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Star Trek: Picard Showrunner Michael Chabon Addresses Fan Concerns Over Graphic Violence And Dark Tone

Star Trek: Picard showrunner and writer Michael Chabon recently did an impromptu Q&A on his Instagram where he addressed a number of fan concerns regarding the newly released Star Trek show.
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In other words, Patrick Steward could've asked for a show more like TNG, but, instead, he wanted to basically replicate Logan, but with Star Trek. TBH, it seems a huge part this show is this bad is thanks to him.

He was more interested in ranting about current year issues than actually continuing the legacy of Star Trek.
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Nothing he says here adds to whats fundamentally wrong with the show, in my opinion, I'm still placing almost all the blame on Kurtzman and Abrahams.

Picard is an incredibly maleable character due to his space Alzheimers, any dramatic change in character or perception could be explained through this device. The enlightened Picard could easily transform into a one legged Vietnam vet. Problem is - not only does Picard fundamentally change with no good explaination, but the Federation has changed for no good reason either.

If you want to have a crazy old man space adventure - fine. It's not exactly Star Trek but whatever. What makes Picard so insulting is how the show goes out of it's way to completely rape central themes of the Star Trek franchise. When Deep Space 9 wanted to deal with dark themes they literally made this shit happen on the other side of the fucking galaxy.

In Nemisis (or whatever shitty TNG movie), Patrick Stewart wanted to drive a dune buggy around. Fine. They wrote it in, they put him in a desert or something. In Picard, Patrick Stewart wants to pretend to be deep and shuffle around a gritty cyberpunk galaxy, don't start him off somewhere that humanity is supposed to have perfected themselves.

They should've built a sandbox for him to play in, instead they mad a litterbox for him to shit in.
 
BScCollateral said:
I haven't seen the show, but I'm still trying to make sense of this whole Romulan supernova thing.

First off, it's not going to trigger some sort of refugee crisis; a Star Trek empire that covers a visible slice of the galaxy is too big for that. It's like saying that Washington DC gets wiped out in some natural disaster so American refugees flee to China. Ridiculous. And it sounds like an evacuation fleet was being built, but got blown up by robot terrorists... so how did the Federation "abandon" the Romulans, exactly? And why is everyone pissed off at Picard?

I could buy something where the loss of the metropole sets off a multi-faction civil war, which in turn sets off a refugee crisis.

A supernova might plausibly affect another solar system if it were directly north or south of the nova (well, magnetic north or south). That would actually be kind of interesting because it sets off a catastrophe in the future. Prolapse IV is four light years from the supernova so now we have four years to evacuate the planet before the gamma ray burst hits. In that period, all sorts of crazy stuff might go down.

I really think they came up with a situation, but have absolutely no idea what chain of events might lead to that.
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I think Star Trek online had to explain it away as the Iconians were behind it all along.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Do you imagine when Picard gets lonely, he orders a "Romulan Girl, Hot." now?
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Negilum said:
Picard is an incredibly maleable character due to his space Alzheimers, any dramatic change in character or perception could be explained through this device. The enlightened Picard could easily transform into a one legged Vietnam vet. Problem is - not only does Picard fundamentally change with no good explaination, but the Federation has changed for no good reason either.
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Are we sure that it isn't Stewart who has the (presumably, non-space) Alzheimers? I've heard it said before that he was behind a lot of the retarded shit in the TNG movies... (Including during, but mostly after "First Contact", i.e. the only "good" one.)
 
Negilum said:
Nothing he says here adds to whats fundamentally wrong with the show, in my opinion, I'm still placing almost all the blame on Kurtzman and Abrahams.
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Negilum said:
If you want to have a crazy old man space adventure - fine. It's not exactly Star Trek but whatever. What makes Picard so insulting is how the show goes out of it's way to completely rape central themes of the Star Trek franchise. When Deep Space 9 wanted to deal with dark themes they literally made this shit happen on the other side of the fucking galaxy.
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Well about that... That was Patrick Steward too. He says the federation being darker is his way of "replying to the world of Brexit and Trump"

“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected,” he says. “It was the Enterprise. It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun.” In “Picard,” the Federation — a union of planets bonded by shared democratic values — has taken an isolationist turn. The new show, Stewart says, “was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”
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‘Star Trek: Picard’: Patrick Stewart on Why He Returned to the Final Frontier

Next to an armchair in Patrick Stewart’s living room in Brooklyn sits a small table, and on it a black three-ring binder. The 79-year-old actor leans in and clasps his hands when recounting his upb…
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I'm not defending either Kurtzman and Abrams because this is clearly what they wanted as well.


UnKillFill said:
Are we sure that it isn't Stewart who has the (presumably, non-space) Alzheimers? I've heard it said before that he was behind a lot of the exceptional shit in the TNG movies... (Including during, but mostly after "First Contact", i.e. the only "good" one.)
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Yeah after reading Patrick's opinions I already quoted, I have to say that I have nothing but respect of him as an actor, but he really has no place in dictating the writing at all.

I've seen interviews of Both Janeway and Seven of 9 actresses, and Robert Picardo saying that they understoood that part of what made Trek so special was that it was an optimistic view of the future.



Judging by all his comments about ST: Picard, I don't think Patrick truly believed in that message after all.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
I've seen interviews of Both Janeway and Seven of 9 actresses, and Robert Picardo saying that they understoood that part of what made Trek so special was that it was an optimistic view of the future.
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That Jeri "Seven of Tits" Ryan agreed to be on STP in the first place, makes me doubt that she ever really "got" Star Trek to begin with...

Nevermind the fact that she is also Jeri "arguably a reason why Obama won in 2008" Ryan... lol... FWIW, this makes a lot of sense, but it isn't really her fault.
 
If you really want to make a dark political "Star Trek" show, it should just take place in the Eugenics Wars.
Picard travels back in time and helps to defeat Donald Khan or something. Still stupid but would at least allow the show to do its own shit without completely changing the established TNG universe.
 
mindlessobserver said:
The only hope for Star Trek now is for Seth MacFarlane to get it and declare all the JJ Abrams infused crap of the last 10 years a bad dream.
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It's the same as with Star Wars. There's no salvaging the damage that has been done, the only way to save it is to amputate and cauterize. Jar Jar is the hackiest of frauds, and the fact that he's managed to ruin two of the most iconic sci-fi series of all time is heartbreaking.

I've been going through and watching TOS, and I have to agree with Rich Evans in one of RLM's Picard videos: what sets Star Trek apart from many other sci-fi series is its boundless optimism. Gene Roddenberry believed in a future where we conquer our demons as a species and work for the betterment of the whole galaxy. Sure, there's conflict, but we'll do our best to find a peaceful solution to our problems. Naive? Maybe, but it's special because of its optimistic future. It's an ideal to strive for. Even the goofiest episode of TOS is consistent with this theme. I'd take Spock's Brain over this dreck any day.

J.J. and his cronies only saw it as an opportunity to put explosions and lens flares on the screen and cash in on a recognizable brand name, and then they did the same with Star Wars. Their cynical versions of these series are wholly at odds with the originals, completely failing to grasp what makes them special and producing cheap imitations that are apparently immune from criticism because "lol subverted expectations!"

In an ideal world, the "Kelvin timeline," STD, Picard, and the entirety of Disney Wars would be declared non-canon, and Jar Jar and his ilk would never be allowed to work in Hollywood again. Alas, we don't live in an ideal world, so all we can do is enjoy the originals and shit on the garbage they put out.
 
*Hears about the episode where they go to Gambling planet, with drugs gambling and hookers*

This..is a Ferengi world right? RIGHT?

Nope.

WHY? MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THEY DO.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
*Hears about the episode where they go to Gambling planet, with drugs gambling and hookers*

This..is a Ferengi world right? RIGHT?

Nope.

WHY? MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THEY DO.
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I would have loved it if it was. Or an Orion planet. But then they'd probably take Grand Nagus Rom's liberal reforms too far and it'd be dominated by women in Fereginar's universities who dye their lobes purple and they would continue the tirade that the Federation is racist and xenophobic and are oppressing the Romulans.

I still can't believe Brunt couldn't tell that was Quark as a tranny...
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
I’m more terrified of the ending RedLetterMedia made up about the whole “universe without borders” thing, because I can honestly see that happening.
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That would be a great ending, everyone united into some sort of Collective. I wonder who in Star Trek could ever come up with an idea of every species being united into one singular culture.
 
Miller said:
I'm glad that Mike didn't pussy out and kept the segment about Icheb in. I believe that what happened to Icheb isn't random. The same thing happened to Lorca in the first season of STD. For Lorca, I think that the showrunners who took over - after Fuller was fired - were sick of that character and wanted him gone. The way they killed him was also distrurbing: he basically used Trump's campaign slogan "make the Terran Empire glorious again" and got killed from behind with a sword before falling into the core/black hole thing.

edit: I forgot to talk about the Groundhog Day episode with Mudd killing Lorca over and over in many various ways possible.
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Yeah, it's really kind of jarring to watch the episode and realize the white guy gets tossed into a giant explosion, while the Asian lady-palpatine, WHO EATS PEOPLE, gets forgiven and brought back to the main universe where she can enjoy her own spin off.

Normally I try not to look too deep into stories. For one thing it often seems like they're too dumb to realize what they're doing. Other times I just despise the SJW "let's overanalyze and look for insult in everything, regardless of context" technique that saturates the internet.

Still, this is one time it is really hard not to over-read the scene.
 
So it seems there are a few theories on the Romulan supernova. I can't believe I missed this video.

So, it goes:
1. Romulan idiocy.
2. Remans wanting revenge (Star Trek Online)
3. Iconians manipulating Remans to blow up sun (Star Trek Online's retcon)
4. Second 31 hardon.

In STO, the stuff mentioned by Dax in the DS9 episode where the one person wanted to blow up Bajor's sun were being tracked down by the Remans. So, I missed the entire canon part about blowing up stars. I only remembered trilithium being used to make planets uninhabitable for thirty years.
 
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