Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[AnOminous]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are people on staff with encyclopedic knowledge of every episode, ship, and character.

I would be surprised, though, if any of these people are anywhere in decision making positions. The people actually in charge are garbage and actively hate the fandom and the source material.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I still can't believe that the writers of STD thought that dyslexia was like autism.

These writers Think that they're writing Star Trek, so

I think they know the pop culture version of those franchises. When someone says "Star Trek", people will think:

I'm going to have a big belly laugh when it turns out that Jay Baumann was a consultant for these shows.

 

[Local Hobo]

In an ideal world, the "Kelvin timeline," STD, Picard, and the entirety of Disney Wars would be declared non-canon

Does Picard have Okudagrams? Retcons have been built on less.

EDIT: To expand on this, you know how there's this trope about how main character's are able to determine that a dream, illusion, or alternate reality isn't real/their's by having one detail missing or obscured? Think the same for the computer interfaces.

 

[Racist Trash]

Does Picard have Okudagrams? Retcons have been built on less.

EDIT: To expand on this, you know how there's this trope about how main character's are able to determine that a dream, illusion, or alternate reality isn't real/their's by having one detail missing or obscured? Think the same for the computer interfaces.

You know that episode of enterprise where some temporal parasite is in archers brain and leads to him having an alternate timeline life or whatever? Let's just hope Picard has that and it's being cured as we speak.

 

[The Gagh Whisperer]

That would be Kirsten Beyer (the only Trek person who works on STD and Picard).

I still think Kirsten Beyer is one of the worst influences on modern Trek.

Everything that's shit about Discovery and Picard, you can find echoes of in her shitty novels.

Melodramatic, self absorbed, terrible dialogue, fanfiction soap opera trash.

And now she's written Picard episode 5, the worse episode of Star Trek ever made.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I've seen a lot of theories that the writers behind the show don't like Star Trek, or science fiction, or whatever, but I'd like to propose an alternate hypothesis.

That the writers know nothing BUT pop culture genre media.

That their entire lives have been spent discussing the minutia of Star Wars/Trek/LOTR/capeshit on internet sites, writing slash fanfiction with 7of9, and wondering what kind of porn Romulans are into.

That they see everything through a lens of geek culture references because they have little to no experiance at, well, life.

The characters and stories are all tropes we've seen a hundred times before. Raffi's relationship to addiction, Picards aging, the stereotypes, the lives of the Romulan refugees. It's the type of understanding I'd expect from hanging out in a video game themed bar with tech working reddit users wearing Zelda t-shirts, not from people who had actually lived these experiences.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are people on staff with encyclopedic knowledge of every episode, ship, and character.

What they lack is an understanding of what Star Trek means to people. How these stories and characters intersect with our real lives. Why people watch Star Trek in the first place.

Bullcrap, these people are the ones who hopped on the wagon when the JJ Abrams movies got announced and read the wiki to learn about Star Trek

 

[Flexo]

I still think Kirsten Beyer is one of the worst influences on modern Trek.

Everything that's shit about Discovery and Picard, you can find echoes of in her shitty novels.

Melodramatic, self absorbed, terrible dialogue, fanfiction soap opera trash.

And now she's written Picard episode 5, the worse episode of Star Trek ever made.

I know I shouldn't, but I kind of want to know more details...

 

[Maamtis]

My partner is watching Voyer again. It's the first Star Trek series I've seen start to finish so I have a soft spot for it but god damn does Neelix get on my tits. I find myself spending most scenes he appears in hurling abuse at him. Am I alone in this?

 

[Flexo]

My partner is watching Voyer again. It's the first Star Trek series I've seen start to finish so I have a soft spot for it but god damn does Neelix get on my tits. I find myself spending most scenes he appears in hurling abuse at him. Am I alone in this?

Sfdebris loves to call him shithead and awards each Voyager episode a "stupid neelix moment."

 

[Miller]

god damn does Neelix get on my tits.

Wait until you notice that he spends a lot of time among young people like Kes and Naomi.

 

[Flexo]

Wait until you notice that he spends a lot of time among young people like Kes and Naomi.

What is possibly creepy about Neelix?

Star Trek (Voy): Once Upon a Time

Star Trek Reviews

sfdebris.com

Oh right. Everything.

(Shame, the actor is good and can do compelling work.)

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

My partner is watching Voyer again. It's the first Star Trek series I've seen start to finish so I have a soft spot for it but god damn does Neelix get on my tits. I find myself spending most scenes he appears in hurling abuse at him. Am I alone in this?

Just watch this scene between episodes to keep your blood pressure down.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I've watched everything up to DS9, but haven't seen Voyager at all.

The more I hear about it, the more I'm kind of curious about it. I love the premise. I've heard its not as good as it could be, but has glimpses of greatness.

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

The more I hear about it, the more I'm kind of curious about it. I love the premise. I've heard its not as good as it could be, but has glimpses of greatness.

everything good or bad you've heard about it is most likely true. if you've seen everything else before it and want more it's worth a watch.

 

[XYZpdq]

I've watched everything up to DS9, but haven't seen Voyager at all.

The more I hear about it, the more I'm kind of curious about it. I love the premise. I've heard its not as good as it could be, but has glimpses of greatness.

that's about right
it's got a few eps here and there that are actually good, a lot of them are just kinda meh generic TNG type stuff, and in hindsight that's still a lot better than most Trek material made from FlareTrek onward

 

[Overly Serious]

Just watch this scene between episodes to keep your blood pressure down.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nVdH1GomPTk

Not my comment unfortunately but I love the response: "Every Vulcan is just one Neelix away from becoming a Romulan".

I will say this though, if the character is annoying, that's not the fault of the actor who I feel plays an annoying character perfectly. And the episode where Neelix questions his faith is actually very touching and very sad. Ethan Phillips (the actor) is pretty darn good, imo.

I've watched everything up to DS9, but haven't seen Voyager at all.

The more I hear about it, the more I'm kind of curious about it. I love the premise. I've heard its not as good as it could be, but has glimpses of greatness.

I'm in a weirdly opposite situation to you. Other than some barely remembered TNG back when it aired which I watched the odd episode of (all I really remember is an episode where some one-off low-level crewman is living out this weird holodeck fantasy and thinking that was really good at the time. And Data saying "I'm fully equipped" before having sex with a blonde woman. But dabbling in this thread to replenish my sodium levels piqued by curiosity and got me watching Voyager. Yes, I started in the middle of it when Seven of Nine first appeared and have no regrets because she and her arc are lots of fun so far. But I'm now about two-thirds of the way through Season 5 and there have been some stonking episodes. I don't really get why people have slated it as "passable" because sure - there's some filler episodes - but there's also some really good stuff. Janeway as a character is absolutely hard as nails and treads a very fine line between sympathetic and unbending steel. I mean, it takes her all of two minutes to decide to kill a named crewmember who is violating the Prime Directive (

Spoiler

Paris in that underwater world episode where it's all narrated by him post-fact in letters

). Frankly, she's spot on for what I think a Star Fleet captain would be like - intelligent, compassionate where possible, but with an iron sense of duty and strong grip on command. She likes to wear the velvet glove but Seven of Nine in particular several times reveals that if Janeway's persuasion and friendly facade don't work, the iron fist is right there underneath. Doesn't hurt that Kate Mulgrew is a very good actress. Her eye-rolling reactions and comic timing were what made "Bride of Chaotica" (silliest episode) actually work. I genuinely laughed out loud when she said

Spoiler

"and who will we get to play the bride?" as she looked round at Seven of Nine with a grin only to realise everyone else was looking at her.

The way the grin fell of her face was pretty darn funny. They don't use Janeway for comedy very often but Kate Mulgrew is pretty damn good at it.

I haven't watched any of STP but if they put Janeway in it as the villain that's about the only thing that could get me to watch it. Janeway would be simultaneously sympathetic and impressive as a "Bad Guy" whilst also sliding into the role seamlessly. Frankly, she could be trying to wipe out all android life in the galaxy and all puppies too and still have the viewer saying: "Janeway did nothing wrong." No irony here, Janeway is great. You can really believe people would follow her into battle willingly.

 

[Maamtis]

Just watch this scene between episodes to keep your blood pressure down.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nVdH1GomPTk

This is my "Shut up Wesley!"

 

[byuu]

I mean, it takes her all of two minutes to decide to kill a named crewmember who is violating the Prime Directive (

After grossly violating the Prime Directive herself a million times.
Kate Mulgrew did a great job but the character itself is pretty bad.
In one scene she's a Federation diplomat, in another she's Mirror Universe Kirk, and in another she's a scientist.

They originally had a different actor planned for Janeway and even shot some of the pilot with her:

Voyager's best decision was to replace her with Mulgrew.

 

[Oaat]

Re: The drug addict character
Even ignoring that it's Star Trek, there's a total death of imagination on display. Instead of showing future problems the human race could face in the Trek setting or in real life, it's just a modern problem that will apparently still exist unchanged 379 years in the future. Off the top of my head, TNG showed us failed space colonies in season 1. The Borg are a really creepy idea of how technology can go wrong with the right butterfly effect and the passage of time... assuming STP won't retcon it so that the Romulans invented them.

I've watched everything up to DS9, but haven't seen Voyager at all.

The more I hear about it, the more I'm kind of curious about it. I love the premise. I've heard its not as good as it could be, but has glimpses of greatness.

Voyager hurts because it has so much wasted potential. It's best episode retcons everything that happened in it at the end.

 

[Emperor Julian]

On reflection Warmaster janeway would probably do a lot better in the current series considering she's a violent maniac who only pays lip service to federation ideals. Personally they should have made her the cunty admiral who give picard shit.