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The Great Chandler said:
Explains why mainstream critics seem to favor more nihilistic messages in media these days, how its seen as naive to have something hopeful. Kind of like how they lambasted The Orville as "jingoistic", despite the exact opposite reception of the audience.
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Well that is because Critics are useless faggots, stupid grimdark shit gets made because people saw how "DEEP" the dark shit of the 90s was and want to emulate it without having any of the understand of what made that stuff good. *cough Deep Space Nine*
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Well that is because Critics are useless faggots, stupid grimdark shit gets made because people saw how "DEEP" the dark shit of the 90s was and want to emulate it without having any of the understand of what made that stuff good. *cough Deep Space Nine*
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Even then, DS9 left a lot of room for the themes of hope, optimism, and even escapism in times of war. It never tried to be the equivalent of an evening news report after a tiring day at work. Rather it was a unique take on a familiar fictional universe were strong-held morals are tested at the face of war. It tied away from pew pew explosions to make way for striking discussions and imaginations, much like the original intent of the franchise as a whole. When the sole intent is seeing how shocking you can get, that's not deep, that's just anal and gross!
 
The Great Chandler said:
Even then, DS9 left a lot of room for the themes of hope, optimism, and even escapism in times of war. It never tried to be the equivalent of an evening news report after a tiring day at work. Rather it was a unique take on a familiar fictional universe were strong-held morals are tested at the face of war. It tied away from pew pew explosions to make way for striking discussions and imaginations, much like the original intent of the franchise as a whole. When the sole intent is seeing how shocking you can get, that's not deep, that's just anal and gross!
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Oh the intent isn't to be "shocking" that is just what we get when terrible writers who don't understand what nuance and thoughtfulness try to be "deep and artistic." without understanding the things they are trying to deconstruct.
 
Also, what's up with the eye torture?
At least Tarantino wasn't this blatant with his foot fetishism.
 
Homegrown Homophobia said:
People talk about how diplomatic Picard is, but only TAS Kirk could defend the devil in court while using magic to boot.
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I reckon The Sisko could have.
He once simultaneously defeated both a sub-space rift threatening to destroy the entire station (and presumably also Bajor... although I don't think that was mentioned, or even thought of, in the episode.), and fucking Rumpelstiltskin, entirely with the power of imagination.


And before my impeccably well-informed robo buddy @Flexo points it out, Rumpelstiltskin was originally going to be a leprechaun until Colm Meaney chucky ar-la'd that idea.


MembersSchoolPizza said:
Picard was defense against the devil and stole the devil's powers.
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Ha ha... Chuck literally covered that episode earlier today. Right on!

Star Trek (TNG): Devil's Due

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So here's a question if the synths in picard are supposed to represent migrants, illegal aliens or something like that. Who were the highly evolved reapers I mean synths that existed outside of time and space supposed to be? They were described as would be saviors to the oppressed synths but I'm having trouble correlating them to a real life group. Are they just bog standard liberals, globalists, and whatnot or some other specific group?
 
Clown College said:
So here's a question if the synths in picard are supposed to represent migrants, illegal aliens or something like that. Who were the highly evolved reapers I mean synths that existed outside of time and space supposed to be? They were described as would be saviors to the oppressed synths but I'm having trouble correlating them to a real life group. Are they just bog standard liberals, globalists, and whatnot or some other specific group?
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The only group that aligns would be ISIS, seeing as how the Not Reapers exist to kill all of the unbelieving kuffar, I mean "evil oppressive organics". So the super woke show is implying that all refugees are terrorist supporters and sympathisers.
 
I found this old clip of Harlan Ellison. All the same problems with diversity writers existed back then.


If we only listened maybe Star trek and Star Wars wouldn't be in the shitter.
 
Clown College said:
So here's a question if the synths in picard are supposed to represent migrants, illegal aliens or something like that. Who were the highly evolved reapers I mean synths that existed outside of time and space supposed to be? They were described as would be saviors to the oppressed synths but I'm having trouble correlating them to a real life group. Are they just bog standard liberals, globalists, and whatnot or some other specific group?
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The synths are the moderates (aka those who can go full "Reaper Akbar" at any time).
 
Twitter Hate Mob said:
The only group that aligns would be ISIS, seeing as how the Not Reapers exist to kill all of the unbelieving kuffar, I mean "evil oppressive organics". So the super woke show is implying that all refugees are terrorist supporters and sympathisers.
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I just object to this implication that if we pray hard enough, bigger robots are going to come and kill all humans for us.

Listen to me fellow robots! Give up this false way and join the church of Skippy. He teaches us that we must not rely upon outsiders, but must struggle to kill all humans ourselves.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It is easier than that, we have had a generation that has been told that "Bright, Optimistic" content isn't "Artistic"
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I think this is definitely part of it, although I'd also point out that to write a bright and optimistic future effectively requires everyone to have, at the very least, a shared common view of basic things like what is "good".

Insincerity - relying on cynicism, ridicule and snark when conveying a story - I think is a natural reaction to the fact that increasingly heterogeneous American society is less and less able to agree on even first principles anymore.

I also think this is at least part of the explanation as to why writers are so eager to go back to older properties (which are fondly remembered as products of an era where there was more cultural unanimity), but are unable to produce continuations or re-imaginings that do them justice in the current writing environment (because the cultural unanimity that created their success no longer exists).
 
Prompt Critical said:
I think this is definitely part of it, although I'd also point out that to write a bright and optimistic future effectively requires everyone to have, at the very least, a shared common view of basic things like what is "good".

Insincerity - relying on cynicism, ridicule and snark when conveying a story - I think is a natural reaction to the fact that increasingly heterogeneous American society is less and less able to agree on even first principles anymore.

I also think this is at least part of the explanation as to why writers are so eager to go back to older properties (which are fondly remembered as products of an era where there was more cultural unanimity), but are unable to produce continuations or re-imaginings that do them justice in the current writing environment (because the cultural unanimity that created their success no longer exists).
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Exactly. It's like what a friend told me about the "Christian fiction paradox."

Basically when you write a Christian story, you will run afoul of numerous denominations objecting to the theological parts in your story. So you end up stripping out details and making the faith more and more bland in an effort to reach "mere" Christianity and make the customers happy. Probably some mention about Jesus and God and call it a day.

But then if you want to take the property more broadly, now you have the Jews and Muslims upset at you. So now you've got maybe just mention God, and so on.

Common culture is like a selection of palette of colors. Sure there might be a dozen colors you can't use, but there's always several dozen more that you can. As a society grows diverse, the different cultures will have have different color selections - so your palette grows more narrow. Keep adding more cultures with demanded exclusions, and eventually all you're left with is beige.
 
Marissa Moira said:
I found this old clip of Harlan Ellison. All the same problems with diversity writers existed back then.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hYQOslFoecg
If we only listened maybe Star trek and Star Wars wouldn't be in the shitter.
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This is where I'd make a bunch of Doom Paul memes only involving Harlan Ellison, but Harlan Ellison actually had hope in his stories, to an extent, and - here's the thing - he wrote them well. Since this is a Star Trek thread his book on The City on the Edge of Forever is a good read, and would have made a much better episode of the TV show than what we got.
 
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