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Andorians: "Because screw the Vulcans!"
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Andorians: "Because screw the Vulcans!"
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We can probably add - Tribbles: "Because sex!"
Or is that Riker?
Also, as someone who has now made it into Season 2 of Enterprise from someone who had never watched any Trek bar occasional episodes until this year, I have to say the Andorians are hilarious. Every time the SFX guys make their little antenna wiggle around I start hooting with laughter. It's the dumbest and most adorable thing ever.
And on that subject for anyone who cares, I asked earlier if Enterprise "got any better". Well I've now made it as far as "Regeneration" which is the episode with the Borg. And I agree with the poster who said it did get somewhat better. It's still not exactly Shakespeare, nor dumb entertaining action. But there's elements I like. For example, T'pol almost never makes jokes but when they do give her something funny I really like it. She tells Tripp she's going to recommend Frankenstein to ambassador Soval - totally deadpan to the point Archer and Tripp are doing double-takes trying to work out if she's winding them up or not. Second time she's done that over dinner with the previous one being the story about Carbon Creek. Seeing what Vulcan humour is like tickles me for some reason. As did this exchange in that Andorian episode (as we're discussing it):
Soval: What is their obsession with our ears?
T'pol: I believe they are envious.
See, these little touches make Enterprise worth watching. What takes away from it is that the directing and writing is very weak. Going to sperg now.
So I don't want to call anyone in Enterprise a bad actor but there's a lot of bad acting going on. Now you get Phlox who is excellent and really portrays a consistent and believable character - whether he's doing humour or pathos you never feel it doesn't fit. And shout out to the actress playing his wife for mimicking his mannerisms and speech patterns so well). T'pol's actress also manages to make her character believable (imo) despite some extremely creaky writing and blatant fan-service put upon her. I think it took her a season before she was able to settle into what playing an "emotionless" character meant to her. On the other hand you have Tripp who never quite seems sure what his character is like and Reed who is either not a good actor or playing a terrible stilted and seedy character - honestly it could be either. And Archer himself. I keep wanting to be charitable to Samuel Beckett because I do like the actor and his performance, but most of the time it seems the directors are just asking him to give one of a set list of reaction faces: "Okay, Sam, give us a sympathetic look at Hoshi. That was great, now do the slightly puzzled face at Phlox." It's just... not immersive. But then you get rare scenes like the end of Cogenitor where he loses it at Tripp and it's all one take not just a queued up 3 second facial expression and it's a transformation. The guy actually gets to act-act, not just play-act. I can only guess that the director(s) were on a coffee break with the camera man and were forced to just leave the camera running on a tripod for a bit.
Yes, Enterprise is better in Season 2. It's gone from a run of prosaic crisis of the week episode with clunky character development and a weak over-arching time travel plot to a series with slightly more convincing relationships and some (but not all) interesting episodes. They managed to make the Borg scary again (at least, Star Trek scary), Congenitor added a lot to Archer's character (I'm now waiting to see if that actually sticks or if they just go back to how things were) and I think a big part of the reason for that last one is because it had actual longer one take scenes letting the actors do more than just react.
Anyway, Dr. Sperg out.
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The actress who played T'pol was actually a pretty big fan of Star Trek IIRC, like Tim Russ was.
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Really? That's very cool - am glad she got her shot at playing a main character then. One thing I noticed is that whilst I stand by it taking a while to get a feel for exactly what "emotionless" means, she seemed to be drawing some of her mannerisms and approach from the original Spock. The way she raises an eyebrow for example. And like I said, the writing for most of the characters is all over the place so any actress who can stitch it all together into a believable whole has my respect. I'd say she and Phlox were the best actors on the show. Maybe Hoshi but her writing is more consistent (read: basic) so it's less of an obstacle course for her so an unfair comparison, maybe. Tripp's actor suffers from the writing and directing in the same way as Archer's. And Reed - just what is with that guy? Him flirting with the Vissian woman in "Cogenitor" just gives off the creepiest vibes ever.
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Impossible, no girl who looks like this
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Picard is what happens when lazy writers want to write something else (Section 31 fan fic) but are 'forced' to write another series due to the parent studio.
I'd kill for an updated version of DS:9 as that had the right amount of world building, character arcs, random stories, and fun that these current shows lack.
Disco and Picard aren't fun they are Fast and Furious in space with Modern Politics. You cannot combine those two genre's together like peanut butter and motor oil and expect a Roast Beef Sandwich.
I'd kill for an updated version of DS:9 as that had the right amount of world building, character arcs, random stories, and fun that these current shows lack.
Disco and Picard aren't fun they are Fast and Furious in space with Modern Politics. You cannot combine those two genre's together like peanut butter and motor oil and expect a Roast Beef Sandwich.
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On the over-representation of Humans in Starfleet, I think it was alluded to somewhere (I want to say in Roddenberry's film novelization of The Motion Picture, but it's been a long time since I read that and it was terrible so I really don't want to revisit) that the post-scarcity nature of the Federation freed every member world from the need to work for sustenance, leaving them to pursue whatever occupation they enjoyed. Humans were the only species where a comparatively large percentage of the population actually like hazardous, frequently boring and highly regimented exploration work and do it for fun. They also implied that non-Humans who joined Starfleet by and large were not the most well-adjusted or capable members of their race - i.e. the best of the best Humans go to join Starfleet, while the best of the best Vulcans are working in a science lab or writing books or whatever, and the Vulcans who do join Starfleet are weirdo losers that don't really fit in with their own society for some reason.
No idea if it was ever canon, or if it still is, but I liked it as an explanation for a decision that behind the scenes was obviously motivated mostly by budget and audience reception concerns.
(I can't remember if anyone mentioned that Roddenberry wanted Troi to have three tits and it was only cut as an attempt to keep the costume & makeup budget per episode under control. Script writer DC Fontana mentioned being opposed to the idea in an interview with EW, saying "I felt women have enough trouble with two. And how are you going to line them up? Vertically, horizontally, or what? I was like, please, don't go there. And they didn't, fortunately.")
No idea if it was ever canon, or if it still is, but I liked it as an explanation for a decision that behind the scenes was obviously motivated mostly by budget and audience reception concerns.
(I can't remember if anyone mentioned that Roddenberry wanted Troi to have three tits and it was only cut as an attempt to keep the costume & makeup budget per episode under control. Script writer DC Fontana mentioned being opposed to the idea in an interview with EW, saying "I felt women have enough trouble with two. And how are you going to line them up? Vertically, horizontally, or what? I was like, please, don't go there. And they didn't, fortunately.")
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The BEST girls are into Star Trek.
Hollywood lies about nerds in that they aren't beautiful; quite the opposite, if you ask me.
T'pol is pretty attractive in the series, but in this picture, it looks so phony and forced. Not attractive at all. Give me a normal girl over that any day of the week.
(I don't know what's up with that bellybutton either; that's what I'd expect to see on a Vulcan more-so than a human being)
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That's at least two disgusting meatbags.
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I thought about that (since, in all fairness, it does seem to be the overriding motivation in ENT, and a major part of why Shran ends up as buds with Archer), but making their (facetious) racial motto and theirs alone boil down to "Because [this other race]!" seemed a bit unfair. ❤
I thought that their performances worked well in both cases, with Tucker being uncomfortable and uncertain of himself as the chief engineer on Starfleet's first real starship, and Reed being a pent-up English pervert (have you got to the episode where he gets drunk and starts waxing eloquent about T'Pol's bum yet?)
Also, if you have any interest in Stargate, Connor Trinneer shows up as an antagonistic alien in the last couple of seasons of Atlantis, if you want to compare his performances in different sci-fi settings.
Four tits, and he apparently wanted her to be a hermaphrodite, according to some sources...
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Troi being a literal shemale titty monster would have made for some interesting episodes. Who here remembers when Riker met a four armed space pianist?I thought about that (since, in all fairness, it does seem to be the overriding motivation in ENT, and a major part of why Shran ends up as buds with Archer), but making their (facetious) racial motto and theirs alone boil down to "Because [this other race]!" seemed a bit unfair. ❤
I thought that their performances worked well in both cases, with Tucker being uncomfortable and uncertain of himself as the chief engineer on Starfleet's first real starship, and Reed being a pent-up English pervert (have you got to the episode where he gets drunk and starts waxing eloquent about T'Pol's bum yet?)
Also, if you have any interest in Stargate, Connor Trinneer shows up as an antagonistic alien in the last couple of seasons of Atlantis, if you want to compare his performances in different sci-fi settings.
Four tits, and he apparently wanted her to be a hermaphrodite, according to some sources...
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Yep. This is Star Trek, not Star Wars. It's the latter where you see one member of a species and suddenly all members are like that. Jabba was a crimelord? All Hutts are crime lords. Etc. Star Trek seems a lot better about treating aliens as individuals rather than a collective group mind. Hell, even members of the literal collective group mind species have more members that buck the stereotype than most species in Star Wars media.
I thought that their performances worked well in both cases, with Tucker being uncomfortable and uncertain of himself as the chief engineer on Starfleet's first real starship, and Reed being a pent-up English pervert (have you got to the episode where he gets drunk and starts waxing eloquent about T'Pol's bum yet?)
I have - that was Season one. And thinking about it, I'm leaning back towards the actor deliberately playing him that way because there's no way you accidentally come across as that repressed and filthy. A healthy male says: "T'pol has a nice ass". Reed gets drunk, smiles dirtily and makes comments about her bum to someone who doesn't want to hear it. The only reason I haven't searched "Reed being creepy" for a YouTube compilation of clips is because I want to avoid spoilers from the later seasons because I'm quite positive he's not going to stop at the end of Season Two.
I doubt I'll ever get round to watching the series but I'll look up some clips for comparison. Will be interesting to see how much is him and how much is the character, directing and writing. I'm willing to bet it's mostly not his fault.
Oh, Gene.
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Yep. This is Star Trek, not Star Wars. It's the latter where you see one member of a species and suddenly all members are like that. Jabba was a crimelord? All Hutts are crime lords. Etc. Star Trek seems a lot better about treating aliens as individuals rather than a collective group mind. Hell, even members of the literal collective group mind species have more members that buck the stereotype than most species in Star Wars media.
Well.... rating you optimistic for that as it could be debatable exactly how out of stereotype Trek treats its aliens. At some point it becomes also a question of time. (many, many hours of story vs a dozen or so)
If you have gotten to the episode by now (and I think you have), here's the review where SFDebris brings up that the actor did play Reed as socially awkward. I think Chuck has made a joke that Reed is more ammosexual than anything else.
Here you go, I'll save you time.
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As much as enterprise has it's issues it still felt like it was trying to be Trek, STD and STP don't even want to try and learn about the older series and lore.
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You know what? I'll admit it... There was a point in time (It was like a decade ago at this point, before ST:ID came out at very least.) where I thought that Star Trek Enterprise was the worst that Trek could ever be.
I don't think I've ever been more incorrect about anything in my life.
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as someone who likes F&F for what it is I take offense to that. dudes are still manly dudes, chicks are still hot and the only stronk womyn is the sassy latina which is a decades-old trope at this point. the movies also know what they are and don't try otherwise. even the worst F&F wasn't as shit as nutrek.
rate me dumb if you want, but can you imagine any nutrek writer pulling off that FF7 sendoff for paul walker?
it gets even more ironic when you look up who directed beyond, which is arguably the best of the nutrek movies (and of the the best among all of them, but it's not like the competition was very tough to begin with).
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You would really appreciate Chuck's talk about Beyond then where he gave some praise to the director. I posted it here:
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Its vague but you'd actually not too far off the mark. TOS described the Andorians as a violent and warlike race before they joined the Federation. In retrospect its a shame we never got to see the Andorians kick any ass because they were basically supposed to be the goodguy version of Klingons. But as time went on Vulcans got superstrength and telepathy, then Klingons went from their TOS incarnations to the TNG space vikings and then eventually revised them into the Honor/Glory Klingons we know today. The Andorians didn't really have much else to do until ENT. (Come to think of it, I don't even remember a single Andorian in TNG?)
Ironically it was the Romulans who were the honorbound culture at first. First time we see them they're so gung-ho about honor and glory that they're ready to sacrifice their mission just to wreck the Enterprise. Though Spock calls it a "martial philosophy" so maybe its more war oriented rather than glory/honor.
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Between futa troi and the ferrengi's original conception as big dicked ugly bastard style rape-goblins, we sure that Gene Roddenderry wasnt one of the ultra rare pre-internet hentai coomers?