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ditto said:
Can you imagine the 2020 version of this scene? Uhura giving Jefferson Davis Trump a round-house kick to the face (yum yum!)

The 60s seemed to be the sweet spot for humanist liberalism.
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Then Kurtzman-Kirk says "Take that, you fucking incel!" and the bridge crew start clapping.
 
rabo said:
No he's referring to the fact that Rene Auberjonois makes a guest appearance in several episode as a different character.
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Huh, I forgot about that episode. I'll have to give it a re-watch.
rabo said:
Star Trek went from that, to have a vaping black woman lecture an old man about his privilege.

Fuck Alex Kurtzman where he breathes.
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It makes me think of that one Voyager ep. where they somehow lose a backup of the doctor, and he gets to watch race relations oscillate on this planet over the course of centuries before finally leveling out.
 
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BScCollateral said:
Yesteryear is an animated episode which has a small, yet effective role for an Andorian.

The story is that owing to timey-wimey stuff, an alternate timeline is created where Spock died as a child, leading to his parents divorcing, and his mother's death in an accident while returning to Earth. The "New" First Officer of the Enterprise is an Andorian, Commander Thelin.

Spock and Kirk naturally want to "fix" the timeline. Commander Thelin might logically object to this: it's not exactly a "Keep Hitler from winning WWII" situation. But instead, Thelin accepts the necessity of changing the universe so he'll be relegated to God knows what (Obviously Spock and Kirk have no idea what Thelin was up to in their own timeline), because Spock will save his own mother's life and Thelin accepts Spock must do it, and it would be wrong to prevent it.

I always thought it was a shame they didn't go into this more deeply.
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There's a reason why it's considered the best episode of TAS.
 
yahooligan said:
Huh, I forgot about that episode. I'll have to give it a re-watch.

It makes me think of that one Voyager ep. where they somehow lose a backup of the doctor, and he gets to watch race relations oscillate on this planet over the course of centuries before finally leveling out.
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That was Living Witness, the best mirror universe episode Voyager never made. The Doctor wakes up on a planet after centuries and finds the asshole who attacked Voyager is venerated as a Christ-like figure.
 
ditto said:
That was Living Witness, the best mirror universe episode Voyager never made. The Doctor wakes up on a planet after centuries and finds the asshole who attacked Voyager is venerated as a Christ-like figure.
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The Doctor was easily the most interesting character on that show. They used him in a lot of very creative wars. Although I think he had one too many episodes where somebody fucks with his code and makes him evil.
 
UnKillFill said:
Sisko could learn a lot from Uhura.
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And it was filmed at a time when any suggestion of racial equality and harmony ran the risk of a bunch of shitbag zealot-panderers in southern TV stations refusing to broadcast for fear of pissing off a bunch of random assholes

This is why I make a clear distinction between progressive stories and lazy woke horseshit.

The former is willing to directly go against a prevailing social order and/or take a serious risk of a hit in profits just for the sake of upholding a progressive ideal that the writers genuinely feel need to be upheld, even if its shit that goes directly against the grain for much or even most of society and the establishment.

The latter dresses up the most insufferably obnoxious and idiotic spin on shit thats been the mainstream norm for half a century as a stunningly brave and unprecedented step forward for all media which automatically confer historical status upon the work and automatically damns any who would critique it, even when effectively all of society and the establishment were embracing far more progressive works decades beforehand.

A progressive story doesnt even have to be good....hell it can be absolutely fucking terrible. But even the absolute most poorly acted, terrible-effect ridden, and horribly written drek from the 50s that were ballsy enough to take a clear stand against some of the prevailing societal bullshit of the era stand leagues above even the most polished and funded wokeshit of currentyear.

I dunno....think of it like you would old timey mountain climbers trying to reach the top of a bigass peak compared to some modern instagram celeb who just hires a helicopter to get to the top.

Sure some of the old timers didnt quite make it, sure some of them didnt have the right gear, sure some of them were not quite fit for the challange, sure some of them didnt have any idea what they were doing, sure some of them might not have even wore pants as they started trudging up the slope.... but all of them tried and put genuine effort into reaching the top against adversity and at personal risk, and all of them deserve infinitely more respect and acclaim than the pampered sped who hops off their private helicopter for thirty seconds to take selfies, and then declares themselves the greatest mountain climber in history and the first to ever attempt to climb that peak.
ditto said:
That was Living Witness, the best mirror universe episode Voyager never made. The Doctor wakes up on a planet after centuries and finds the asshole who attacked Voyager is venerated as a Christ-like figure.
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It also casually demonstrates that even zombie late 90s trek were far more capable of writing progressive works with an actual point than the best nu-trek has to offer
 
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rabo said:
The Doctor was easily the most interesting character on that show. They used him in a lot of very creative wars. Although I think he had one too many episodes where somebody fucks with his code and makes him evil.
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In Equinox it only took Captain Ransom a couple of taps to disable his ethics so he could lobotomize Seven. Not sure how I'd like a crew member that could turn into Dr Mengele after a coffee spill on a console.
Judge Holden said:
It also casually demonstrates that even zombie late 90s trek were far more capable of writing progressive works with an actual point than the best nu-trek has to offer
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I started rewatching Voyager out of nostalgia but found it's really pretty solid in parts.
 
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ditto said:
In Equinox it only took Captain Ransom a couple of taps to disable his ethics so he could lobotomize Seven. Not sure how I'd like a crew member that could turn into Dr Mengele after a coffee spill on a console.
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To be fair, it only took a couple of taps because they already had the procedure set up from when they did it to their own EMH.
 
rabo said:
The Doctor was easily the most interesting character on that show. They used him in a lot of very creative wars. Although I think he had one too many episodes where somebody fucks with his code and makes him evil.
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To be fair, Robert Picardo is a pretty solid actor who has been in a fucking ton of things. (229 acting credits!)

Here's my favorite role he played:
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ditto said:
Can you imagine the 2020 version of this scene? Uhura giving Jefferson Davis Trump a round-house kick to the face (yum yum!)

The 60s seemed to be the sweet spot for humanist liberalism.
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Eh. I love Classic Star Trek a lot. It is probably my favorite Trek since I have such a fondness for old timey 60's and 70's episodic story telling. It's basically Bonanza in space. But the show could be INCREDIBLY sexist, and I'm not just talking about the short skits and green skinned babes. Gene Roddenberry wasn't racist. But he was, probably unconsciously, sexist as fuck.

Sexism doesn't come from having some sexy characters or fanservice, or having a couple stories where women are simply romantic objects. It comes from a pervasive theme across most episodes that the female characters are either dangerous monster temptresses or innocent, naive, emotion driven, and in need of constant guidance or protection in order to prevent them from letting Hitler or Apollo win. Not every woman is presented this way. But most single episode female character is one or the other or both. If these tropes were used a couple times in the whole show, it wouldn't stand out so much. But it's all the time.

It comes from episodes like 'The Conscience of the King' where Kirk has an weird conversation with the crazy girl Lenore that implies that men are the ones who captain starships and hold power and women can only gain a sliver of that power by seducing them.

And of course the most sexist of all Star Trek episodes 'Turnabout Intruder.' Where a woman body switches with Kirk because she wants to be a starship captain and blames sexism on her being unable to achieve it. But she's irrational and emotionally unstable, unable to handle command. She ends up dying, and the literal last lines of Star Trek are Kirk musing, "Her life could have been as rich as any woman's. If only... if only..." Implying that if she had accepted the 'limitations' of her femaleness she could have been as happy as a woman could be.

If you wanted to fanwank Turnabout Intruder, you could pretend that the show was saying she was unfit for command apart from her gender and was blaming sexism for her being held back, but the episode, and the whole show, doesn't do a good job of framing things that way.

I'm as sick of SJW libtarded asexual characterless STRONK WAHMAN as much as the next sane person, but I certainly don't want to go back to the days before you could have a T2 Sarah Conner or Ellen Ripley.
 
ditto said:
In Equinox it only took Captain Ransom a couple of taps to disable his ethics so he could lobotomize Seven. Not sure how I'd like a crew member that could turn into Dr Mengele after a coffee spill on a console.
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Half the crew on any given series are ticking time bombs. Data was constantly getting reprogrammed. The Vulcans would go on violent rampages if they got horny. Worf would run off if anyone cyberbowled him about his honor.
 
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