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Jasonfan89 said:
I've recently gotten my hands on couple of mid 90s marvel star trek comics and I gotta say I was worried they'd be something I'd regret buying (it was a comic blind bad so IDK until I opened it) but it was actually pretty good. Easy to follow I'd your not a teekie and a decent set up to a new storyline one comic even had a list of terms foe newbies at the back explaining who the blue alien that greeted the orange one with big ears by being nude was (it makes sense in context and actually was pretty damn funny )
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I've been reading scams of ST comics online quite a bit, lately. The vast majority that I've read so far are far and away superior to anything that's been put on screen since 2009.
 
FrickinFrackinFruckin said:
New Star Trek series to be more episodic and optimistic. Makes you wonder if CBS watched Mike and Rich's reviews of Discovery and Picard! https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/star-trek-strange-worlds-optimistic-episodic/
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Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it...or don't see it, actually, because I can't stomach the thought of actually watching nu-Trek. I don't trust Kurtzman to deliver anything that's not pointlessly edgy and completely antithetical to Star Trek. I expect them to shit all over these characters, make the entire season a giant story arc, deliver some cringe-tastic dialogue, and fuck up yet another corner of the Trek universe.

Remember when one of the arguments used to brush off criticism of JJ Trek was "it's in a separate timeline, it won't affect the main timeline at all"? Yeah, look how that panned out. The same people ended up in charge of the main timeline and proceeded to fuck it sideways. It was also a dumb argument from the start anyway since the creation of the alternate timeline involved destroying Romulus, a pretty fucking big event.
 
Miller said:
I can already see Number One being always right and talk over Pike all the time.
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I have a bad feeling they're going to make Number One a lesbian, non-binary, or some other gender-special, despite it being pretty clearly stated that she wants to jump Pike's bones in "The Cage."
 
Miller said:
I still don't get it. He doesn't like VOY and ENT but he's fine with the writing on STD.
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I don't really get the impression he's "fine" with it. I think what you have here is more a man going through the motions when he doesn't really give a shit. People want him to review STD, so he's reviewing STD. Yeah, he's not completely eviscerating it. But he's also not making anything more than surface observations and easy jokes. He's practically just narrating the episode. Even the really bad episodes of ENT and VOY he usually offers much more in-depth analysis than he's been doing for STD.
 
You know what's pretty awful?

Although I must admit I haven't read many of them, but the few official Star Trek novels I read were all glorified fanfiction, every one of them had clear self-inserts, this random lieutenant that wasn't on the show but is suspiciously friendly with the senior staff. Plus they have to have their favorite characters in all of their book. Data showed up in so many of these books, here's the catch; I DIDN'T READ A SINGLE TNG NOVEL.

Two of the very worst I've read for example, first the Voyager Relaunch novel. That deals with what happens when they got back. The TV show gave us nothing except fake closure. So finally get to see what happens!!


... Yeah well, awful garbage happens. Holograms trying to have a revolt, while Star Fleet intelligence goes lock down on all Voyager personnel. And a plot about the head of Star Fleet intelligence trying to turn herself into a new Borg Queen (Which was apparently abused/raped by her step father. You know, something that would make Gene spin in his grave. We find that thanks to random segment about "The hand" that feel so out of place in a Star Trek novel)

Of course they need Data's because of The Value of a Man. Oh and the author wrote "Picard's hazel eyes" ... HAZEL?

And then, this one really fucking broke my heart, but "A Stitch in Time" co-written by Andrew Robinson himself, Garak's memoires of his early days and time at the obsidian order. Sounds like the best thing you could ask for. But it was dry, so dry, and shows Garak too much like he was on the show and not as anything else. Plus has this whole tale about how he was hiding in the sand for some excersize and befriended some sand creature he called Mila. It was bad, it was dumb, it made the Obsidian order seem like a joke and I could never bring myself to finish it.

I think the only novel is vaguely enjoyed was huuh, Unity of Duty? I forget but it was about Rougal, that young Cardassian orphan that was raised by Bajorans until he's eventually reunited with his father and returned to Cardassia. It's cool because it basically shows the entirely of the events of the DS9 timeline but as seen from the perspective of the Cardassians. Rougal ends up being coerced into military service by Dukat (Because gotta shoehorn the cool chars) and does get out of the Dominion war alive, but certainly a changed man.

Anyone read anything decent?
 
MembersSchoolPizza said:
I don't really get the impression he's "fine" with it. I think what you have here is more a man going through the motions when he doesn't really give a shit. People want him to review STD, so he's reviewing STD. Yeah, he's not completely eviscerating it. But he's also not making anything more than surface observations and easy jokes. He's practically just narrating the episode. Even the really bad episodes of ENT and VOY he usually offers much more in-depth analysis than he's been doing for STD.
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I think it's also a feature of the new storytelling.

He's done videos before on arcs in the series and IIRC, he usually waits until the end to talk much about it. Since STD is so serialized, I believe he is waiting for the story to end to really go in depth.

Notice the description to that video.
 
rabo said:
You know what's pretty awful?

Although I must admit I haven't read many of them, but the few official Star Trek novels I read were all glorified fanfiction, every one of them had clear self-inserts, this random lieutenant that wasn't on the show but is suspiciously friendly with the senior staff. Plus they have to have their favorite characters in all of their book. Data showed up in so many of these books, here's the catch; I DIDN'T READ A SINGLE TNG NOVEL.

Two of the very worst I've read for example, first the Voyager Relaunch novel. That deals with what happens when they got back. The TV show gave us nothing except fake closure. So finally get to see what happens!!


... Yeah well, awful garbage happens. Holograms trying to have a revolt, while Star Fleet intelligence goes lock down on all Voyager personnel. And a plot about the head of Star Fleet intelligence trying to turn herself into a new Borg Queen (Which was apparently abused/raped by her step father. You know, something that would make Gene spin in his grave. We find that thanks to random segment about "The hand" that feel so out of place in a Star Trek novel)

Of course they need Data's because of The Value of a Man. Oh and the author wrote "Picard's hazel eyes" ... HAZEL?

And then, this one really fucking broke my heart, but "A Stitch in Time" co-written by Andrew Robinson himself, Garak's memoires of his early days and time at the obsidian order. Sounds like the best thing you could ask for. But it was dry, so dry, and shows Garak too much like he was on the show and not as anything else. Plus has this whole tale about how he was hiding in the sand for some excersize and befriended some sand creature he called Mila. It was bad, it was dumb, it made the Obsidian order seem like a joke and I could never bring myself to finish it.

I think the only novel is vaguely enjoyed was huuh, Unity of Duty? I forget but it was about Rougal, that young Cardassian orphan that was raised by Bajorans until he's eventually reunited with his father and returned to Cardassia. It's cool because it basically shows the entirely of the events of the DS9 timeline but as seen from the perspective of the Cardassians. Rougal ends up being coerced into military service by Dukat (Because gotta shoehorn the cool chars) and does get out of the Dominion war alive, but certainly a changed man.

Anyone read anything decent?
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I recommend the novel FEDERATION.

Depends on what you're looking for really. Trippy, continuity porn, something new, more fun with friends, etc.

For instance, the Q Continuum trilogy is hilarious for the sheer continuity porn and how it actually brings in and makes sense of some of the worst moments of trek. (Like movie #5.)

There were also massive franchise crossovers covering all series.

So what are you looking for?
 
rabo said:
Anyone read anything decent?
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With the caveat "they've been retroactively made non-canon by future episodes of various series", almost anything Diane Duane writes is good. Particularly the TNG Mirror Universe novel "Dark Mirror", which, again, has been completely negated by the DS9 and STD mirror universes, but is really, really good.
 
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Guts Gets Some said:
Oh but they were so sure Picard was their new cash cow with season 2.

Fucking desperate.

I don't blame you. Remember when Picard was touted and smart and insightful too? Sure it will be.
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I'm still salty about that.
It does make me question all the rumors about the new shows secretly tanking if they're continuing to come out with more new series. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Disco gets cancelled after season three and the new Pike series just replaces it.
 
melty said:
I'm still salty about that.
It does make me question all the rumors about the new shows secretly tanking if they're continuing to come out with more new series. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Disco gets cancelled after season three and the new Pike series just replaces it.
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They're scrambling. If STD was actually a hit, they wouldn't have had to make Picard or Short Treks, if Picard was actually the hit they claimed to garner a second season, they wouldn't be making a Pike series; let alone one that actually caters to fan backlash.

What's wrong, Kurtzman? I thought you didn't care what the 'toxic fans' thought of your show. Actions speak louder than words, buddy. :story: You're so transparent, I can't even see you anymore.
 
rabo said:
You know what's pretty awful?

Although I must admit I haven't read many of them, but the few official Star Trek novels I read were all glorified fanfiction, every one of them had clear self-inserts, this random lieutenant that wasn't on the show but is suspiciously friendly with the senior staff. Plus they have to have their favorite characters in all of their book. Data showed up in so many of these books, here's the catch; I DIDN'T READ A SINGLE TNG NOVEL.

Two of the very worst I've read for example, first the Voyager Relaunch novel. That deals with what happens when they got back. The TV show gave us nothing except fake closure. So finally get to see what happens!!


... Yeah well, awful garbage happens. Holograms trying to have a revolt, while Star Fleet intelligence goes lock down on all Voyager personnel. And a plot about the head of Star Fleet intelligence trying to turn herself into a new Borg Queen (Which was apparently abused/raped by her step father. You know, something that would make Gene spin in his grave. We find that thanks to random segment about "The hand" that feel so out of place in a Star Trek novel)

Of course they need Data's because of The Value of a Man. Oh and the author wrote "Picard's hazel eyes" ... HAZEL?

And then, this one really fucking broke my heart, but "A Stitch in Time" co-written by Andrew Robinson himself, Garak's memoires of his early days and time at the obsidian order. Sounds like the best thing you could ask for. But it was dry, so dry, and shows Garak too much like he was on the show and not as anything else. Plus has this whole tale about how he was hiding in the sand for some excersize and befriended some sand creature he called Mila. It was bad, it was dumb, it made the Obsidian order seem like a joke and I could never bring myself to finish it.

I think the only novel is vaguely enjoyed was huuh, Unity of Duty? I forget but it was about Rougal, that young Cardassian orphan that was raised by Bajorans until he's eventually reunited with his father and returned to Cardassia. It's cool because it basically shows the entirely of the events of the DS9 timeline but as seen from the perspective of the Cardassians. Rougal ends up being coerced into military service by Dukat (Because gotta shoehorn the cool chars) and does get out of the Dominion war alive, but certainly a changed man.

Anyone read anything decent?
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I found the Starfleet Corps of Engineers stories to be generally fun enough space adventures, but they feature Sonya Gomez, aka The Chick That Had Three Tits In Total Recall And Spilled Hot Chocolate On Picard, so that may trigger your concerns.
I also enjoyed Q Squared, sorta Q vs Trelane
 
XYZpdq said:
I found the Starfleet Corps of Engineers stories to be generally fun enough space adventures, but they feature Sonya Gomez, aka The Chick That Had Three Tits In Total Recall And Spilled Hot Chocolate On Picard, so that may trigger your concerns.
I also enjoyed Q Squared, sorta Q vs Trelane
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That is a series I heard quite a bit of good about in the past so I suppose it's worth considering.
 
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