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So Enterprise is the only show I haven't seen much of and I'm currently going through it (like, third episode of the second season right now) and honestly: I don't hate it. The recent tryhard edgy trek like DSC and Picard makes it look like a masterpiece.
I do think at times it's too much about what they don't have and what they can't do instead of "yo science, we can do this no prob" seen in the other shows. Sato is pretty horrible though.

Also T'Pol is hot, I'm not gonna lie.
 
Van Darkholme said:
So Enterprise is the only show I haven't seen much of and I'm currently going through it (like, third episode of the second season right now) and honestly: I don't hate it. The recent tryhard edgy trek like DSC and Picard makes it look like a masterpiece.
I do think at times it's too much about what they don't have and what they can't do instead of "yo science, we can do this no prob" seen in the other shows. Sato is pretty horrible though.

Also T'Pol is hot, I'm not gonna lie.
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Enterprise definitely suffers from "prequel syndrome" but it does recover from that eventually if you give it the right patience. I don't really remember Sato getting much better though (unless you count the mirror universe)
 
Van Darkholme said:
So Enterprise is the only show I haven't seen much of and I'm currently going through it (like, third episode of the second season right now) and honestly: I don't hate it. The recent tryhard edgy trek like DSC and Picard makes it look like a masterpiece.
I do think at times it's too much about what they don't have and what they can't do instead of "yo science, we can do this no prob" seen in the other shows. Sato is pretty horrible though.

Also T'Pol is hot, I'm not gonna lie.
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3rd season is just bad. 4th season is... ok. I prefer the first 2 seasons myself.

It's kind of funny, once the MACOs (space marines) come aboard, they're actually competent at fighting, in a way that you almost literally never see again in the entire franchise. The Federation and the Federation Starfleet are NOT military organizations. Probably the Earth Starfleet, the Andorian Imperial Guard, and the Vulcan Defence Forces are. Federation Starfleet seems to come out of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, however.

rabo said:
>Goes to pray to a non-Trill God
>Is a heathen

Confirmed, she had it coming.
Plus Ezri was an upgrade!
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>tfw no Ezri waifu who can fuck like Curzon
 
Van Darkholme said:
Oh Mirror Sato is definitely a step up from the regular one, no doubt.
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Mirror Kira was actually an interesting character and I was surprised at how well Nana Vistor played that role. The one thing I would say about Trek is that its a little too...clean...for my liking. Sex is such an important part of being human but hardly anyone in Trek tries to deal with it in any interesting way.

Aside from the T&A that Sirits and Ryan was hire to provide.
 
I know this is derailing but I really like TMP. It is more of an event than a movie by far. And the music is unreal. There will never be another like it and that is what makes it so amazing. Since when has there been an overture to a major motion picture?I love it to this day. The refit Enterprise is my favorite ship bar none.
 
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MembersSchoolPizza said:
Oh boy. Chuck is starting with Picard.
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I was gonna mention this but I perused his recent DS9 review and he spent a huge chunk afterwards ranting about how much he dislikes childish "THIS SIDE GOOD, THIS SIDE BAD, IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT YOU AM STUPID AND BAD" politics being forced into fiction as ham fisted morality plays as opposed to works trying to explore political themes and topics in a halfway nuanced and open minded way, so im wondering if he was simply venting some rage before the upcoming picard reviews
 
Judge Holden said:
I was gonna mention this but I perused his recent DS9 review and he spent a huge chunk afterwards ranting about how much he dislikes childish "THIS SIDE GOOD, THIS SIDE BAD, IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT YOU AM STUPID AND BAD" politics being forced into fiction as ham fisted morality plays as opposed to works trying to explore political themes and topics in a halfway nuanced and open minded way, so im wondering if he was simply venting some rage before the upcoming picard reviews
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Saw the patreon preview of Picard. He's doing it much like discovery - just a general talk, looks like he'll be saving story analysis for when the season is done.

He does take several shots at the logic and characters through it. Just be aware it's going to be more snark than ripping it for now.

Star Trek (Picard): Rememberance

Star Trek Reviews
sfdebris.com
 
TaimuRadiu said:
It's kind of funny, once the MACOs (space marines) come aboard, they're actually competent at fighting, in a way that you almost literally never see again in the entire franchise.
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The MACOs I think were based on or at least influenced by the Post 9/11 War On Terror Support Our Troops cultural zeitgeist. That being said they were one of the few ideas Enterprise had that I actually really like. It was about time for Star Trek to have a professional military force show up in it and from what I recall the actors who played the MACOs did a pretty good job of coming off as intense badasses.
 
Hot Dawg said:
I know this is derailing but I really like TMP. It is more of an event than a movie by far. And the music is unreal. There will never be another like it and that is what makes it so amazing. Since when has there been an overture to a major motion picture?I love it to this day. The refit Enterprise is my favorite ship bar none.
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I think we were just talking about it a couple pages ago, but I agree. It's slow, but deliberately so, letting you experience this enormous mystery along with the Enterprise crew. Has a lot of beautiful special effects, an aesthetic that no prior or subsequent entry ever replicated (Disco Bones remains hilarious to me), and pretty much plays out like an extended TOS episode, which makes sense once you realize it was a Phase II script.

Plus you can't go wrong with Persis Khambatta.
 
All these years of seeing TMP over and over again, I never got sense of what V'ger's full ship looked like without the cloud until recently.

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The model was massive going by behind the scene photos.

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Coincidentally, I'm currently reading the TMP novelization on the Kindle and in the beginning it's revealed that starship captain's have brain implants to receive high priority messages from Starfleet. So we watch the Klingon's getting blasted by V'ger at the start through visions via Kirk's brain implant. It's an interesting detail in the book (if nothing else).

I know Roddenberry's name is listed as author, but I'm not sure if it was ghost written by Alan Dean Foster or someone else.
 
Zemporer said:
All these years of seeing TMP over and over again, I never got sense of what V'ger's full ship looked like without the cloud until recently.

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The model was massive going by behind the scene photos.

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Coincidentally, I'm currently reading the TMP novelization on the Kindle and in the beginning it's revealed that starship captain's have brain implants to receive high priority messages from Starfleet. So we watch the Klingon's getting blasted by V'ger at the start through visions via Kirk's brain implant. It's an interesting detail in the book (if nothing else).

I know Roddenberry's name is listed as author, but I'm not sure if it was ghost written by Alan Dean Foster or someone else.
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Supposedly it was written by Foster. V'ger is such a creepy, cool concept I'm surprised they didn't do more with it. Supposedly it was the origin for the Borg but I don't think that is canon.
 
Hot Dawg said:
Supposedly it was written by Foster. V'ger is such a creepy, cool concept I'm surprised they didn't do more with it. Supposedly it was the origin for the Borg but I don't think that is canon.
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I think V'ger as the Borg origin was brought up in the game Star Trek Legacy. Not sure if it goes back further. I remember reading the theory years ago that V'ger fell into a wormhole and was found by the Borg (or proto-Borg), repaired and then sent on its quest home. Not exactly the most original of theories, but younger me thought that would be cool. I believe this idea/theory was floated by Roddenberry, but he wouldn't confirm (or deny).

At this point I assume any machine race in ST is going to be tied back to the Borg. Everything has to be connected it seems.
 
Zemporer said:
I think V'ger as the Borg origin was brought up in the game Star Trek Legacy. Not sure if it goes back further. I remember reading the theory years ago that V'ger fell into a wormhole and was found by the Borg (or proto-Borg), repaired and then sent on its quest home. Not exactly the most original of theories, but younger me thought that would be cool. I believe this idea/theory was floated by Roddenberry, but he wouldn't confirm (or deny).

At this point I assume any machine race in ST is going to be tied back to the Borg. Everything has to be connected it seems.
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I think this was also brought up in one of the post-ST Generations novels that dealt with a Borg/Romulan plot to resurrect Kirk and use him to kill Picard or something. If I remember correctly it was explicitly stated that V'ger was Borg, either by construction or assimilation.
 
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