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Those were the ones written by Shatner.
I've posted the links and research to Borg origins previously in this thread. You really want to avoid going down that road. (it involves space elves)
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I've posted the links and research to Borg origins previously in this thread. You really want to avoid going down that road. (it involves space elves)
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The really interesting thing with The Motion Picture is that the extra material in the director’s cut really helps the pacing issues, breaking up the long, pensive parts.
Yeah but they ruined the soundscape and shoved a bunch of background noise on the bridge. And the red alert noise sounds awful. The effects added were nice though.
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I’ll live with audio fuckery if it means seeing the whole story the director intended to tell, and an annoying alert sound is kind of the point of an alert sound, so I am not really bothered there.
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I thought I saw the Borg "origins" discussed here earlier. I guess that's one of the issues with a long running franchise. Every nook and cranny has to be explored and explained. I'd be happy if the answer to the Borg origin was "nobody knows. Q probably does, but he ain't talking about it." A little mystery goes a long way.
I know I could look it up, but for those who may have read them, did Kirk's story ever get a resolution in the "Shatnerverse" books. I know I read the first "resurrected by the Romulans using Borg technology" novel, but trailed off after that. I did enjoy Ashes of Eden (though that was pre-falling down a mountain Kirk).
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Yeah there's also a Starfleet Corps of Engineers story that does a maybe-Borg-origin iirc.
They already ruined the Borg by giving them a head vampire to punch with the queen, worrying about them making up origins is closing the barn door after the cows are out.
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I read 3 of the Shatner books. By then it had moved more into an episodic "adventures of Kirk in the 24th century" style. So how are you defining "resolution"?
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Yeah. Good point. I guess if it turned into a series, then no resolution (i.e. dying again) was going to be the outcome.
After all these years, I still feel Kirk should have died on the bridge of a starship. I actually walked in ST 6 with that mindset (knowing it was the last film with the TOS cast). Being shot in the back or falling down a mountain weren't the best options IMHO.
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The other weird thing about Generations is the way the TOS crew/era is never brought up again after the first act. Star Trek V is the best send-off.
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You mean VI, right?
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It would have been cool to see the crews of the two eras meet and work together.
I watched DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" the other night (apparently a whole disc in the season 2 TOS blu-ray set is tribble related) and I was reminded just how good of an episode that was (as was DS9 as a whole). The scene of Sisko going up to Kirk and being a fanboy near the end always puts a smile on my face.
Though watching the behind the scenes documentary on the DS9 tribble episode makes me realize how close we came to having a shit episode. I guess Ron Moore floated the idea of revisiting the gangster planet from "A Piece of Action" to find the populace mimicking Kirk and Spock and it would be a commentary on Star Trek fandom. I'm glad that shit got shot down.
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TMP was fanservice: the motion picture. People forget just how strange and forceful the original Star Trek fandom was. This is the fandom that gave us slash fiction, the fandom that gave us the impetus for an animated series (that didn't suck) based on an original TV series (TOS + animated series = 5 year mission), the fandom that turned up Star Trek like something out of a white hole into a massive galaxy. It was also a very contemplative 70s thing, in case you couldn't tell from disco McCoy and all the sex. It makes me wonder if it had been like that if we had gotten Harlan Ellison's TMP. (Yes, he pitched an idea.)
Also, supposedly the film reels for TMP were still wet as they were shipped to the premiere showing. The director didn't get to edit them the way he wanted them, and the director's cut actually hacks off something like 10 minutes from the overall film.
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V was perfect.
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I liked it, though the writing was uneven and it never reached any star like the theme song promised.
Captain Quantum Leap was a likeable enough lead character, and any show with time travelling alien Nazis isn't all bad.
It was made in the days when men were comfortable being men and the audience wasn't yet socially awkward nerds who prefer their female eye candy characters to also be implausibly kick ass boss babes and/or slay kweens because it relieves them of the burden of even having to fantasize about initiating sex with women (that came later, starting from the late 70's I think? When the space race was over, normies were losing interest, and sci fi started retreating back to its own ghetto)
Now even the nerds have been dumped in favor of whoever actually watched Picard for the purposes of entertainment and not just to bitch about it on YouTube - all 12 non-binary Tumblr trekkies and their cats maybe.
It's the mid-20th century US Navy.... in spaaaace! Roddenberry flew B-17's in WW2 and was a cop so knew something about how men behave in military and quasi-military organizations. Kirk was well written as the sort of man who could believably command men. I don't think Picard was as realistic (too professorial and passive to be believable as somebody who got into a bar fight with aliens) but the character was saved by Stewart's acting skills and splendid accent.
Now we've got guys like Alex Kurtzman, who has no experience of anything outside living in LA and writing for a living, and it shows.
People like to give Shatner shit for his acting but he was well suited as a lead for TOS and could really deliver given the correct material.
The big problem with mainstream media today is that it exists in a bubble. These writers have zero life experience or creativity, and can only ape on previous work. STP was a total disaster and I hope that all nu trek gets shelved, with the only "good" piece of media coming from it really being Star Trek Beyond.
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All this talk about the contradicting Borg origins and possible origins makes me realize that the Borg are basically the Joker of the Star Trek universe, at least in that regard.
Instead of otaku dorks, who are at least relatable to wimpy, depressed nerds, in the west we have progressive trust fund brats who spent their entire lives in entertainment circles and are difficult or impossible to relate to for most of the population. Ironically, as they were raised and groomed to make entertainment, they also grew up completely detached from the personalities, struggles, and demands of regular people. So when they try to write anyone humble, or professional, or just competent at something outside of the arts, it comes across like Marie Antoinette's "peasant" milking barn with marble floors. They don't know how the fuck anything outside of liberal arts land actually works so their writing comes across as stupid, nonsensical, and terrible.
The arts suck so much recently because of the increased nepotism and diversity hires, who are also almost always connected in some way to the entertainment elite, when they don't just pick some random dumbass slacktivist with a big social media account. The entertainment industry has become a strict aristocracy and the result has turned a lot of it to pure shit.
It really is a similar problem to what Miyazaki complained about regarding anime. That a lot of the writers today aren't good because they're otaku dorks who base all their writing on other anime or manga because they haven't actually gotten out and lived life.
Instead of otaku dorks, who are at least relatable to wimpy, depressed nerds, in the west we have progressive trust fund brats who spent their entire lives in entertainment circles and are difficult or impossible to relate to for most of the population. Ironically, as they were raised and groomed to make entertainment, they also grew up completely detached from the personalities, struggles, and demands of regular people. So when they try to write anyone humble, or professional, or just competent at something outside of the arts, it comes across like Marie Antoinette's "peasant" milking barn with marble floors. They don't know how the fuck anything outside of liberal arts land actually works so their writing comes across as stupid, nonsensical, and terrible.
The arts suck so much recently because of the increased nepotism and diversity hires, who are also almost always connected in some way to the entertainment elite, when they don't just pick some random dumbass slacktivist with a big social media account. The entertainment industry has become a strict aristocracy and the result has turned a lot of it to pure shit.
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I think people resent Shatner because his ham acting was absolutely perfect for TOS (and at its height in Khan), and on top of that, he got vastly better as his career went on, again peaking with a nuanced and sympathetic performance as asshole lawyer Denny Crane.
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The wrath of Khan is still one of my favorite movies of all time... And the genius of Shatner is a large part of that. Does Shatner actually resent it now? I don't think he ever got better than that...
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Another interesting video from Major Grin:
How could they write a season like that and think "yeah dude, that's Star Trek"?
He was great in V (don't @ me) and The Undiscovered Country.
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He said something like he hates seeing it again because he knows all the mistakes he made in it and cringes every time he sees himself fuck up the same way yet again. As pure acting goes, he was at his height in Boston Legal imo.
Also, he overcame his humiliating early musical performances with the amazing album made with Ben Folds, Has Been. It's unironically fucking amazing, including a cover of Common People by Pulp that is better than the original.
Also related to Khan, Shatner's performance was equaled by Ricardo Montalban reprising his role as Khan. It's a goddamn shame and a tragedy that Montalban didn't get more roles worthy of his talent. I really liked him in Fantasy Island too but I was a fucking kid and let's face it that was a really, really stupid show.
Fun fact most of you probably know, Kirk and Khan never even physically met each other during the movie, with Khan staying on his crippled ship and Kirk never getting on it.