I'm honestly glad that Shatner doesn't want to reprise his role as Kirk anymore. Everything should have stopped at VI for the entire TOS cast with the occasional exception like TNG guest spots. I'd like to think that Kirk died saving the Enterprise B and the rest of the movie was a fever dream Picard had.
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Once upon a time I liked to imagine that Spock was successful in helping the Romulans reach a new peace with the Federation.
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Shatner's touring with screenings of Khan with a Q&A after the film, so I assume he doesn't resent it. Unless he shits on it after the film. Which would be pretty funny. Of course, $$$ will make someone tolerate something.
My last real hot take isn't really controversial but the TNG movies were such a waste and really telling where the franchise was headed. The destruction of Enterprise D was simply embarrassing and the lack of faith in the TNG crew in holding a feature film was horribly off base. First Contact should have been the only movie and I prefer the sleek Enterprise E design, but the movie focused too much on action and was a bit of a popcorn fest. Still felt like Star Trek though and had some good moments other than the Borg Queen being a lame idea.
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First Contact was where they first started shitting on Picard. Of all the people in the Federation who knows the most about the Borg and people were blowing him off thinking he is senile when he was telling them how to fight. Borg being permanently vulnerable to KE weapons and attacks ala him using the Chicago Typewriter in the holodeck and Worf cutting up few around the deflector array.
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Ds9 should have gotten a movie.
At *very* least Sisko should have been on board the Defiant in First Contact.
Talk about a missed opportunity. Sisko had unfinished business with the Borg and with Picard himself. Also, some of the more out of character Picard stuff in that film (I will make them pay!) would have made more sense coming from Sisko.
At *very* least Sisko should have been on board the Defiant in First Contact.
Talk about a missed opportunity. Sisko had unfinished business with the Borg and with Picard himself. Also, some of the more out of character Picard stuff in that film (I will make them pay!) would have made more sense coming from Sisko.
Yeah, dumbed down action movie stuff started creeping in to undercut character. Picard should have been the tip of the spear the second the Borg showed up because he is still the Captain of the fucking flagship designed specifically for war and I actually like the reveal that he wasn't really over being assimilated and that it clouded his judgment. The repeat event of invading Earth brought that back to the surface and it must have affected him seeing it from the other side.
The Borg worked best as a faceless consumer of life and technology. Having something like the Queen with stupid motivations dulls their mystery and threat. And STP is such a disgusting joke it isn't worth consideration. How do you play a character for 3 decades and understand nothing about him?
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On the upside, it also dispelled that laziest of all Trek vs. Wars talking points: infinite Borg shields.
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Patrick Stewart understands Picard just fine. He just plain doesn't like that character, and wanted to play woke Patrick Stewart instead.
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First Contact and Voyager proven the Borg shields aren't infinite. First Contact implied if you and unspecified number of your buddies wail on a Borg shield long enough it will eventually go down. Less said about the raping the Borg went thru in Voyager the better.
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The Borg shield thing was dumb anyways.
It was okay in the first episode, but by the time of Voyager somebody should have figured out a permanent solution to the shit. "Our weapons don't work on something that has invaded our Space and made it to earth" is a problem that a military would put a massive amount of effort into solving.
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In Unimatrix Zero they can pass thru Borg shields and force fields just by getting assimilated on purpose and using Seven's nanoprobes to somehow block the process.
Those nanoprobes became a magic potion to cure anything by the end of the series. Even the alpha quadrant ferengi knew about them and wanted in on the action.
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The way I've seen it explained is that Nick Meyer really disliked the way Shatner would read certain lines. Prime example being the scene where Kirk fires back at the Reliant on their first encounter. Shatner kept hamming up the simple line "Here it comes." and making it sound too sarcastic, so Meyer just made him shoot the scene over and over again (like nine times i think?) until Shatner got sick of it and just quietly said the line, which was what Meyer wanted in the first place.
My presumption is Shatner just butted heads with Meyer a lot because Meyer has been noted as kind of a hardass on other productions. Also Wrath of Khan was apparently stressful to shoot because it had very limited time and budget constraints, so combined with all that I wouldn't be surprised if Shatner has a kind of lukewarm opinion of the movie.
Its been suggested in some places that the reason kinetic attacks worked is because the Borg weren't expecting them right away. Had more been killed by those attacks, they would have adapated with their shields. Which you know actually makes logical sense since we only see like three or four Borg get killed by kinetics in the whole movie. First Contact has a lot of really stupid moments but I have to give it credit and say its consistent on that one.
I dunno, its not like personnel shielding is a new idea in science fiction. I prefered the old TNG shields though, where they would actively diffract light when they would appear, instead of just "Oh no I shot it and nothing happened."
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The Romulans are a bunch of cunts and they should have been the object of a final solution.
The Borg are literally SJWs.
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BTW, meant to post this yesterday.
(Pretty sure they ripped off my idea of the orville.)
(Pretty sure they ripped off my idea of the orville.)
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They're holograms though, not real bullets. Clearly they need to outfit EMH with combat protocols and he rips through Borg like a kung fu master.
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I dunno, even if they're energy weapons they technically fall under that whole "remodulate your frequencies" thing. So even if it is the equivalent of an energy blast it makes sense that the Borg wouldn't have adapted to it right away since they probably didn't expect some lunatic to spray them with an energy machinegun.
That said, a question I've always had is why the holodeck even has the option to disable the safety protocols anyway. Are there pain junkies in the 24th Century who just enjoy taking a bullet, go to sickbay, get healed up and then next saturday they're in the same gunfight with Al Capone or some shit? Does Starfleet just occasionally find some officer dead in the holodeck because they got stabbed in the throat by Don Juan? Seems like a weird thing to have for a supposedly enlightened future.