Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[XYZpdq]

I dunno, even if they're energy weapons they technically fall under that whole "remodulate your frequencies" thing. So even if it is the equivalent of an energy blast it makes sense that the Borg wouldn't have adapted to it right away since they probably didn't expect some lunatic to spray them with an energy machinegun.

That said, a question I've always had is why the holodeck even has the option to disable the safety protocols anyway. Are there pain junkies in the 24th Century who just enjoy taking a bullet, go to sickbay, get healed up and then next saturday they're in the same gunfight with Al Capone or some shit? Does Starfleet just occasionally find some officer dead in the holodeck because they got stabbed in the throat by Don Juan? Seems like a weird thing to have for a supposedly enlightened future.

no way, EMH is super smart so he can keep inventing new algorithms so it's basically like this

Spoiler: scientific re-creation

 

[Flexo]

I dunno, even if they're energy weapons they technically fall under that whole "remodulate your frequencies" thing. So even if it is the equivalent of an energy blast it makes sense that the Borg wouldn't have adapted to it right away since they probably didn't expect some lunatic to spray them with an energy machinegun.

That said, a question I've always had is why the holodeck even has the option to disable the safety protocols anyway. Are there pain junkies in the 24th Century who just enjoy taking a bullet, go to sickbay, get healed up and then next saturday they're in the same gunfight with Al Capone or some shit? Does Starfleet just occasionally find some officer dead in the holodeck because they got stabbed in the throat by Don Juan? Seems like a weird thing to have for a supposedly enlightened future.

You know it's about drugs!

"Replicate me up some weed!"
"Those are recognized as a health hazard, protocols will not allow--"
"Fuck off with those safeties and get me the good shit!"

 

[Hot Dog]

You know it's about drugs!

"Replicate me up some weed!"
"Those are recognized as a health hazard, protocols will not allow--"
"Fuck off with those safeties and get me the good shit!"

Wasn't alcohol "soft" banned or something like that? Even though there are plenty of instances of people imbibing or bitching about synthahol tasting bad and having stashes in private quarters. What is the point of that in a post scarcity society?

"Computer, I had a shitty bridge shift, get me sloshed."
"Alcohol synthesis is strict-"
"Override, let's do this."

 

[L50LasPak]

BTW, meant to post this yesterday.

Why does the ship have to look so god damn ugly? Franz Joseph help us, for fuck's sake. If you ask me, they should have stuck them on an Oberth Class, the ultimate bitch ship of Starfleet. Instead its this weird semi-Galaxy abomination, which the Nebula Class already is.

I don't get it. If you're gonna pick something recognizeable, then pick an existing class. There's only like 400 (literally) of them by now. If you're gonna make up you own thing then you have to get really creative and instead its this ugly... thing. I don't even know what to call it, it reminds me of when they glued nacelles on to the Planet Express ship. Like Christ people, pick one or the other.

 

[Flexo]

Why does the ship have to look so god damn ugly? Franz Joseph help us, for fuck's sake. If you ask me, they should have stuck them on an Oberth Class, the ultimate bitch ship of Starfleet. Instead its this weird semi-Galaxy abomination, which the Nebula Class already is.

I don't get it. If you're gonna pick something recognizeable, then pick an existing class. There's only like 400 (literally) of them by now. If you're gonna make up you own thing then you have to get really creative and instead its this ugly... thing. I don't even know what to call it, it reminds me of when they glued nacelles on to the Planet Express ship. Like Christ people, pick one or the other.

It looks like the rough draft of the akira class that was rejected by the committee.

 

[BScCollateral]

I don't get it. If you're gonna pick something recognizeable, then pick an existing class.

Then you can't sell the license to Eaglemoss.

 

[Quintex96]

Why does the ship have to look so god damn ugly? Franz Joseph help us, for fuck's sake. If you ask me, they should have stuck them on an Oberth Class, the ultimate bitch ship of Starfleet. Instead its this weird semi-Galaxy abomination, which the Nebula Class already is.

I don't get it. If you're gonna pick something recognizeable, then pick an existing class. There's only like 400 (literally) of them by now. If you're gonna make up you own thing then you have to get really creative and instead its this ugly... thing. I don't even know what to call it, it reminds me of when they glued nacelles on to the Planet Express ship. Like Christ people, pick one or the other.

It's also impractical as fuck. Looking at the design, The Nacelles and by extension Engineering are a seperate structure from the ship being attatched by those ugly pylons (That have aesthetic 'holes' in them for some reason). The saucer section being flat with weird indentations on the rim makes it look like a giant poker chip.

The whole design makes me angry.

 

[L50LasPak]

The Nacelles and by extension Engineering are a seperate structure from the ship being attatched by those ugly pylons

Exactly, that's why I brought up the Oberth. It has the same kind of stupid design but at least its a little more compact and you can pretend the bottom section is just some kind of pod full of automated equipment. This design is just a flat-out kitbash of the Galaxy.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I dunno, its not like personnel shielding is a new idea in science fiction.

I think he's referring to the fact that Borg shields are often assumed to be infinite simply because Starfleet types always give up shooting at them after they've "adapted."

 

[L50LasPak]

I think he's referring to the fact that Borg shields are often assumed to be infinite simply because Starfleet types always give up shooting at them after they've "adapted."

Maybe the idea is once they've adapted that's the part where you know shit has hit the fan and your tiny squad of redshirts isn't gonna be able to bust them.

For some reason I was possesed to rewatch parts of First Contact today and I noticed that when the Enterprise E arrives at the battle Data says something to the effect of "the Borg Cube has sustained heavy damage to most of its outer structure". If you ask me that's a sign the Borg actually can be destroyed by massed fire, it just requires throwing everything you've got at them.

 

[ZMOT]

That said, a question I've always had is why the holodeck even has the option to disable the safety protocols anyway. Are there pain junkies in the 24th Century who just enjoy taking a bullet, go to sickbay, get healed up and then next saturday they're in the same gunfight with Al Capone or some shit? Does Starfleet just occasionally find some officer dead in the holodeck because they got stabbed in the throat by Don Juan? Seems like a weird thing to have for a supposedly enlightened future.

maybe it's limited to bridge officers, we hardly ever see any rank & file use it (can only really think of that wesley holo virus episode which was on it's own level of WAT?!).

I'd also be less worried about masochists, the degenerates who are into the really weird stuff are probably a way bigger issue. imagine someone pulling a carradine getting chocked out by a bunch of klingon lolis. with barbed cocks and shit. how would you even put that in the log?
which made me think someone should check if neelix had permission to disable the safety protocols...

 

[Quintex96]

For some reason I was possesed to rewatch parts of First Contact today and I noticed that when the Enterprise E arrives at the battle Data says something to the effect of "the Borg Cube has sustained heavy damage to most of its outer structure". If you ask me that's a sign the Borg actually can be destroyed by massed fire, it just requires throwing everything you've got at them.

The problem with the Borg cubes is that they have no centralised systems such as Bridges, engines or weapons arrays. Ship Combat in star trek always comes down to hitting critical systems such as those which they can't do with the Borg so engagements, One of the writers at somepoint realized that engagements with an enemy you can't believably beat in a straight up fight doesn't make for good TV so every encounter with the Borg after Q Who always comes down to somehow cheesing a win through other means (making them sleep, decepting them, deus ex Janeway and the Seven nanoprobes etc)

I'd also be less worried about masochists, the degenerates who are into the really weird stuff are probably a way bigger issue. imagine someone pulling a carradine getting chocked out by a bunch of klingon lolis. with barbed cocks and shit. how would you even put that in the log?
which made me think someone should check if neelix had permission to disable the safety protocols...

Holodeck Safety can only be disabled by Senior staff or when the Holodeck spectacularly fails (Every Holodeck Story)

As for using the Holodeck for degenerate shit, The Holodeck is most likely being monitored for anything really extreme or the routine maintainence checks is probably used as an opportunity to check all the tags for custom Holodeck programs to see if any weird comes up. Creating a Holographic Deanna Troi for example probably adds a 'Deanna Troi' to the tags for your program.

 

[Uranus Pink]

For some reason I was possesed to rewatch parts of First Contact today and I noticed that when the Enterprise E arrives at the battle Data says something to the effect of "the Borg Cube has sustained heavy damage to most of its outer structure". If you ask me that's a sign the Borg actually can be destroyed by massed fire, it just requires throwing everything you've got at them.

That is where the huge "?" comes into play as First Contact shown only the very end of the battle with the Cube which had started when the Borg had entered Fed space. Only real concrete information from the battle is the newly created Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, and Saber class ships were still being fitted out in SOL system when the Cube arrived and weren't in the fight prior to that. Those ship classes had also been designed and created just to fight the Borg like the Defiant class had been. So other than the odd Defiant, and Intrepid class ship joining the fight most of the Federation fleet were still the same class ships that fought and lost in the battle of Wolf 359.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Maybe the idea is once they've adapted that's the part where you know shit has hit the fan and your tiny squad of redshirts isn't gonna be able to bust them.

Yeah, but if Borg shielding isn't somehow entirely different from everything that everyone else uses, then it should still be possible to knock them down by percentages until they collapse completely (if memory serves, you can actually do this in the Elite Force FPS games: repeatedly blasting shielded drones with even a hand phaser, the weakest weapon in your arsenal, will eventually collapse their shields and kill them).

For some reason I was possesed to rewatch parts of First Contact today and I noticed that when the Enterprise E arrives at the battle Data says something to the effect of "the Borg Cube has sustained heavy damage to most of its outer structure". If you ask me that's a sign the Borg actually can be destroyed by massed fire, it just requires throwing everything you've got at them.

Well, the Cube is unshielded when the Big E joins battle, so that definitely demonstrates that Borg shields will eventually collapse like any others if you just keep hitting them for long enough.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I think he's referring to the fact that Borg shields are often assumed to be infinite simply because Starfleet types always give up shooting at them after they've "adapted."

Yes, or rather the fact that the writers treat them as super invincible outside of "We are duct taping a D-20 to our phasers to make their modulations "Random"

You can not like the Tommy Gun Scene in First Contact, but you at least have to give the writers credit for going "Well, the Holodeck is legit dangerous when the safteies break, what if Picard uses that to his advantage and fucks up a pair of Drones with a weapon they don't expect." which is far more god damn exciting than "Two red-shirts shoot phasers, the first one works then the second one doesn't" that gets repeated in many of the Borg related episodes.

 

[Hot Dog]

That is where the huge "?" comes into play as First Contact shown only the very end of the battle with the Cube which had started when the Borg had entered Fed space. Only real concrete information from the battle is the newly created Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, and Saber class ships were still being fitted out in SOL system when the Cube arrived and weren't in the fight prior to that. Those ship classes had also been designed and created just to fight the Borg like the Defiant class had been. So other than the odd Defiant, and Intrepid class ship joining the fight most of the Federation fleet were still the same class ships that fought and lost in the battle of Wolf 359.

I assumed that there would be some upgrades even to regular ships as well as tactics developed following Wolf 359. No way did the Federation approach the second invasion of a cube the same way twice. Borg shields seem rather dumb if they can't stop something as common as kinetic attacks as well, but a foe with adaptive shields would need to be creativity beaten in a different way, ala "sleep", and so on. First Contact was action focused so just shoot it until it explodes.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I assumed that there would be some upgrades even to regular ships as well as tactics developed following Wolf 359. No way did the Federation approach the second invasion of a cube the same way twice. Borg shields seem rather dumb if they can't stop something as common as kinetic attacks as well, but a foe with adaptive shields would need to be creativity beaten in a different way, ala "sleep", and so on. First Contact was action focused so just shoot it until it explodes.

Bingo as there was two ships who escape from Wolf 359, one Klingon Bird-of-Prey and an Oberth who was technically not in the battle itself but was there on the outshirts to record everything and bugged out before the Borg decided to pop shot it. Plus all of the survivors from the "destroyed" ships to give their accounts after them been picked up from the life pods or unblown up sections of their ships. Finally given how badly one Borg Cube solo an entire fleet going through the site to recovered any and all recorded information from the fleet would have been paramount plus the operation also will allow for recovery of the fallen crew for later proper burial.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

First Contact was action focused so just shoot it until it explodes.

This is never not a valid tactic.

 

[ZMOT]

As for using the Holodeck for degenerate shit, The Holodeck is most likely being monitored for anything really extreme or the routine maintainence checks is probably used as an opportunity to check all the tags for custom Holodeck programs to see if any weird comes up. Creating a Holographic Deanna Troi for example probably adds a 'Deanna Troi' to the tags for your program.

no one gave a fuck when barcley had it's harem and geordie remade his waifu till people noticed, so I doubt there's an alert or someone actively monitoring. all fine and dandy till someone notices or it affects their performance (reason it happened with barcley). worst case you get hit with mandatory counseling sessions. TNG wasn't a very good depiction anyway, I think DS9 had quark alluding that people use their holosuites for that too.
most likely there are some directives, probably depending on ship as well so they get followed more or less strict. even the TNG crew didn't outright blew a lid when they found out, it sounded more like an informal thing akin to bad manners not to do it with real people and even less people you work with. I mean people already get secretive about their fap material, imagine it comes out you turned troi into your own scatplay onahole or something - you can only be enlightened to a certain degree.

you also have to remember where the widespread access to porn and all the outright disturbing r34 lead some people to, now imagine you can create anything almost realistically. simple holo waifu is some super vanilla shit in that case. which tbh is an interesting philosophical question, when you can have any pussy (or dick) right at your fingertips whenever you want, how would that affect society at large? maybe the 24th century was so chill because of that. through dick, unity.

 

[ditto]

Wasn't alcohol "soft" banned or something like that? Even though there are plenty of instances of people imbibing or bitching about synthahol tasting bad and having stashes in private quarters. What is the point of that in a post scarcity society?

In early TNG the replicators wouldn't even give Troi a real chocolate sundae.

when you can have any pussy (or dick) right at your fingertips whenever you want, how would that affect society at large?

That explains why the federation feels so underpopulated. Everyone is at home jacking off to holoporn.