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Okay, then....

My best friend and I had our weekly pizza night, yesterday. Before we started binging Made in Abyss, we gave the first episode of Lower Decks a try.

It’s not funny, but that goes without saying. It got one chuckle out of him. It couldn’t even make me crack a smile.

Leaving aside the lack of comedy, and a long string of desperate references they dropped in the last 30 seconds, and the general incompetence of everyone on screen, there was something that left a bad taste in my mouth.

This is a very cynical, mean spirited show.

My conclusion is all centred around this guy, whose name I can’t even remember, even though he’s meant to be one of the MCs. I’m gonna call him Morty, because that’s who he fucking is:

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Everyone shits on this guy. Constantly, repeatedly, and relentlessly. This is because he believes in Star Fleet’s mission, and is doing his best to try and be a worthy officer. He lacks self confidence, but at the same time is earnest in his belief that they’re out here to help people. Everyone around him treats him with contempt at best, and utter disgust at worst. This includes that other MC, who I shall call Black Rick, because that’s who she is. Near the end of the episode she makes him agree with her that she is his moral, physical, intellectual, and just general superior in every way.

Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.

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But she's so WACKY!!!!

Also, for those of you who haven’t watched the first episode, the reason she is tolerated is because her mother is the captain of the ship, and her dad is an admiral in Star Fleet. It’s the only explanation I can come up with as to why she’s wearing that uniform. Captain Mom is actively trying to get rid of her, which doesn’t mean a courts martial, or a removal to somewhere else...but transferring her back to Admiral Dad. It’s implied that they have been doing this for years, btw. They both recognize that they’ve failed as parents, but apparently lack the balls to send her to a CO who won’t put up with her bullshit, so they play tennis with the life of their child, and fuck anyone whose life she ruins as collateral.

Any ways, that’s not what bothered me. It was such a little thing, in context of the narrative of the episode, but it annoys me so fucking much.

So, due to ‘shenanigans’, Morty gets his clothes destroyed by the giant spider cow below.

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He had his underwear on going in, but they’re ripped off of him as the thing starts fucking with his naked body in its mouth. He begs Black Rick for help, but when the alien farmer tells her it won’t kill him, she just lets it molest him...and it is heavily implied when it spits him out a very long time later, that it sexually assaulted him.

After this they’re driving back, and he’s wearing some shitty farm cloth that was only grudgingly given to him.

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He’s still covered in the slimy shit from the mouth of that thing that assaulted him. I know why it’s necessary in the story, as the goop is the cure to the zombie plague (don’t ask)...but why the fuck was he being taken back like that?

For context, he was there because he saw Black Rick stealing supplies (literal spades and hoes, btw). He followed her, and when he found out she was trying to help these farmers, he agreed to help. His being there was her fault. He agreed to help these people.

Yet, after he’s fucked up, and left filthy and naked on the ground, they just send him back with some jokey bit of cloth on him. They wouldn’t even let him clean himself up first. It seems silly focusing on this, and I am amazed at how much it bugs me, but it does. This guy wanted to help, and after he is basically raped doing so, no one would even offer him a pail of water and a cloth to clean himself up before sending him back home...and I am expected to laugh at this.

No. Fuck you, CBS. Fuck you.
 
Okay, then....

My best friend and I had our weekly pizza night, yesterday. Before we started binging Made in Abyss, we gave the first episode of Lower Decks a try.

It’s not funny, but that goes without saying. It got one chuckle out of him. It couldn’t even make me crack a smile.

Leaving aside the lack of comedy, and a long string of desperate references they dropped in the last 30 seconds, and the general incompetence of everyone on screen, there was something that left a bad taste in my mouth.

This is a very cynical, mean spirited show.

My conclusion is all centred around this guy, whose name I can’t even remember, even though he’s meant to be one of the MCs. I’m gonna call him Morty, because that’s who he fucking is:

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Everyone shits on this guy. Constantly, repeatedly, and relentlessly. This is because he believes in Star Fleet’s mission, and is doing his best to try and be a worthy officer. He lacks self confidence, but at the same time is earnest in his belief that they’re out here to help people. Everyone around him treats him with contempt at best, and utter disgust at worst. This includes that other MC, who I shall call Black Rick, because that’s who she is. Near the end of the episode she makes him agree with her that she is his moral, physical, intellectual, and just general superior in every way.

Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.

View attachment 1505776
But she's so WACKY!!!!

Also, for those of you who haven’t watched the first episode, the reason she is tolerated is because her mother is the captain of the ship, and her dad is an admiral in Star Fleet. It’s the only explanation I can come up with as to why she’s wearing that uniform. Captain Mom is actively trying to get rid of her, which doesn’t mean a courts martial, or a removal to somewhere else...but transferring her back to Admiral Dad. It’s implied that they have been doing this for years, btw. They both recognize that they’ve failed as parents, but apparently lack the balls to send her to a CO who won’t put up with her bullshit, so they play tennis with the life of their child, and fuck anyone whose life she ruins as collateral.

Any ways, that’s not what bothered me. It was such a little thing, in context of the narrative of the episode, but it annoys me so fucking much.

So, due to ‘shenanigans’, Morty gets his clothes destroyed by the giant spider cow below.

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He had his underwear on going in, but they’re ripped off of him as the thing starts fucking with his naked body in its mouth. He begs Black Rick for help, but when the alien farmer tells her it won’t kill him, she just lets it molest him...and it is heavily implied when it spits him out a very long time later, that it sexually assaulted him.

After this they’re driving back, and he’s wearing some shitty farm cloth that was only grudgingly given to him.

View attachment 1505779

He’s still covered in the slimy shit from the mouth of that thing that assaulted him. I know why it’s necessary in the story, as the goop is the cure to the zombie plague (don’t ask)...but why the fuck was he being taken back like that?

For context, he was there because he saw Black Rick stealing supplies (literal spades and hoes, btw). He followed her, and when he found out she was trying to help these farmers, he agreed to help. His being there was her fault. He agreed to help these people.

Yet, after he’s fucked up, and left filthy and naked on the ground, they just send him back with some jokey bit of cloth on him. They wouldn’t even let him clean himself up first. It seems silly focusing on this, and I am amazed at how much it bugs me, but it does. This guy wanted to help, and after he is basically raped doing so, no one would even offer him a pail of water and a cloth to clean himself up before sending him back home...and I am expected to laugh at this.

No. Fuck you, CBS. Fuck you.
That’s what he gets for being a straight white man!

...is what the excuse will be, I’m sure.
 
Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.
On top of this, in the few little bits of this that I watched as I scrubbed through, once she opens her mouth, it's a torrent of verbal diarrhea coming out of her mouth until the end of the scene.
 
Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.
I cannot state how much I loathe and dread the generation being raised that these narcissistic psychopathic characters are any kind of hero.

Though there is some humor to be had as you can watch a meatbag rationalize that they are just like that character, and then absolutely go livid when they run into somebody else that also thinks they are just like that character.

Forget a clue bat, I want a self-awareness bat. (or self-awareness bullets)

Hopefully only the first four season and MAYBE the first movie.
What you talking about? I'd take ANY of it over this. Even the robosexual episode and I hated that one.
 
I've only ever seen the first episode of Rick & Morty and to me it seemed like they were just being Aqua Teen Hunger Force wannabes with a lot less of what made ATHF funny and unique.

That being said, I can see a ATHF Star Trek spin being infinitely more entertaining.
 

Chuck's feelings towards the nu treks is becoming clearer.

I also clipped out a segment of his Patreon q&a from last month where he comes clean on this.
 

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I've only ever seen the first episode of Rick & Morty and to me it seemed like they were just being Aqua Teen Hunger Force wannabes with a lot less of what made ATHF funny and unique.

I dunno about that comparison, Rick and Morty is really fast and spastic but what little I've seen of it I'd say it still has a plot and characters. And I say that as someone who never actually liked the show that much. ATHF was a lot slower paced even though everything about its universe was crazy and wacky.

Regarding Lower Decks, I'd almost say the spastic humor in this show has shades of Steven Universe in addition to trying to rip off Rick & Morty. Everyone acts like a complete childish dipshit. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the shows shared some of the same writers.
 
How did animation go to having some that's made for kids and some that's made for adults to almost all of it being made for adults with the brains of children?
 
Okay, then....

My best friend and I had our weekly pizza night, yesterday. Before we started binging Made in Abyss, we gave the first episode of Lower Decks a try.

It’s not funny, but that goes without saying. It got one chuckle out of him. It couldn’t even make me crack a smile.

Leaving aside the lack of comedy, and a long string of desperate references they dropped in the last 30 seconds, and the general incompetence of everyone on screen, there was something that left a bad taste in my mouth.

This is a very cynical, mean spirited show.

My conclusion is all centred around this guy, whose name I can’t even remember, even though he’s meant to be one of the MCs. I’m gonna call him Morty, because that’s who he fucking is:

View attachment 1505774

Everyone shits on this guy. Constantly, repeatedly, and relentlessly. This is because he believes in Star Fleet’s mission, and is doing his best to try and be a worthy officer. He lacks self confidence, but at the same time is earnest in his belief that they’re out here to help people. Everyone around him treats him with contempt at best, and utter disgust at worst. This includes that other MC, who I shall call Black Rick, because that’s who she is. Near the end of the episode she makes him agree with her that she is his moral, physical, intellectual, and just general superior in every way.

Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.

View attachment 1505776
But she's so WACKY!!!!

Also, for those of you who haven’t watched the first episode, the reason she is tolerated is because her mother is the captain of the ship, and her dad is an admiral in Star Fleet. It’s the only explanation I can come up with as to why she’s wearing that uniform. Captain Mom is actively trying to get rid of her, which doesn’t mean a courts martial, or a removal to somewhere else...but transferring her back to Admiral Dad. It’s implied that they have been doing this for years, btw. They both recognize that they’ve failed as parents, but apparently lack the balls to send her to a CO who won’t put up with her bullshit, so they play tennis with the life of their child, and fuck anyone whose life she ruins as collateral.

Any ways, that’s not what bothered me. It was such a little thing, in context of the narrative of the episode, but it annoys me so fucking much.

So, due to ‘shenanigans’, Morty gets his clothes destroyed by the giant spider cow below.

View attachment 1505777

He had his underwear on going in, but they’re ripped off of him as the thing starts fucking with his naked body in its mouth. He begs Black Rick for help, but when the alien farmer tells her it won’t kill him, she just lets it molest him...and it is heavily implied when it spits him out a very long time later, that it sexually assaulted him.

After this they’re driving back, and he’s wearing some shitty farm cloth that was only grudgingly given to him.

View attachment 1505779

He’s still covered in the slimy shit from the mouth of that thing that assaulted him. I know why it’s necessary in the story, as the goop is the cure to the zombie plague (don’t ask)...but why the fuck was he being taken back like that?

For context, he was there because he saw Black Rick stealing supplies (literal spades and hoes, btw). He followed her, and when he found out she was trying to help these farmers, he agreed to help. His being there was her fault. He agreed to help these people.

Yet, after he’s fucked up, and left filthy and naked on the ground, they just send him back with some jokey bit of cloth on him. They wouldn’t even let him clean himself up first. It seems silly focusing on this, and I am amazed at how much it bugs me, but it does. This guy wanted to help, and after he is basically raped doing so, no one would even offer him a pail of water and a cloth to clean himself up before sending him back home...and I am expected to laugh at this.

No. Fuck you, CBS. Fuck you.
Even Franz Kafka would think they're trying too hard.
 
Okay, then....

My best friend and I had our weekly pizza night, yesterday. Before we started binging Made in Abyss, we gave the first episode of Lower Decks a try.

It’s not funny, but that goes without saying. It got one chuckle out of him. It couldn’t even make me crack a smile.

Leaving aside the lack of comedy, and a long string of desperate references they dropped in the last 30 seconds, and the general incompetence of everyone on screen, there was something that left a bad taste in my mouth.

This is a very cynical, mean spirited show.

My conclusion is all centred around this guy, whose name I can’t even remember, even though he’s meant to be one of the MCs. I’m gonna call him Morty, because that’s who he fucking is:

View attachment 1505774

Everyone shits on this guy. Constantly, repeatedly, and relentlessly. This is because he believes in Star Fleet’s mission, and is doing his best to try and be a worthy officer. He lacks self confidence, but at the same time is earnest in his belief that they’re out here to help people. Everyone around him treats him with contempt at best, and utter disgust at worst. This includes that other MC, who I shall call Black Rick, because that’s who she is. Near the end of the episode she makes him agree with her that she is his moral, physical, intellectual, and just general superior in every way.

Let me just get Black Rick out of the way: she is abusive, violent, unstable, unbearable, and an all-round horrible self-righteous human being.

View attachment 1505776
But she's so WACKY!!!!

Also, for those of you who haven’t watched the first episode, the reason she is tolerated is because her mother is the captain of the ship, and her dad is an admiral in Star Fleet. It’s the only explanation I can come up with as to why she’s wearing that uniform. Captain Mom is actively trying to get rid of her, which doesn’t mean a courts martial, or a removal to somewhere else...but transferring her back to Admiral Dad. It’s implied that they have been doing this for years, btw. They both recognize that they’ve failed as parents, but apparently lack the balls to send her to a CO who won’t put up with her bullshit, so they play tennis with the life of their child, and fuck anyone whose life she ruins as collateral.

Any ways, that’s not what bothered me. It was such a little thing, in context of the narrative of the episode, but it annoys me so fucking much.

So, due to ‘shenanigans’, Morty gets his clothes destroyed by the giant spider cow below.

View attachment 1505777

He had his underwear on going in, but they’re ripped off of him as the thing starts fucking with his naked body in its mouth. He begs Black Rick for help, but when the alien farmer tells her it won’t kill him, she just lets it molest him...and it is heavily implied when it spits him out a very long time later, that it sexually assaulted him.

After this they’re driving back, and he’s wearing some shitty farm cloth that was only grudgingly given to him.

View attachment 1505779

He’s still covered in the slimy shit from the mouth of that thing that assaulted him. I know why it’s necessary in the story, as the goop is the cure to the zombie plague (don’t ask)...but why the fuck was he being taken back like that?

For context, he was there because he saw Black Rick stealing supplies (literal spades and hoes, btw). He followed her, and when he found out she was trying to help these farmers, he agreed to help. His being there was her fault. He agreed to help these people.

Yet, after he’s fucked up, and left filthy and naked on the ground, they just send him back with some jokey bit of cloth on him. They wouldn’t even let him clean himself up first. It seems silly focusing on this, and I am amazed at how much it bugs me, but it does. This guy wanted to help, and after he is basically raped doing so, no one would even offer him a pail of water and a cloth to clean himself up before sending him back home...and I am expected to laugh at this.

No. Fuck you, CBS. Fuck you.

I'm very sad to see the level at which some people are defending this.

I'm not talking this guy's review; it was pretty chill and it's his opinion. I'm not upset that he found enjoyment or that maybe it wasn't *as* bad as the trailer initially showed; but if you want to be brave, peer into the comments of this video.

The self-proclaimed "true Trek fans" are all over it trying to defend it, and to me it reeks of absolute desperation because there's so little good Trek anymore, literally anything now that goes beyond "sheer hatred" gets unwarranted praise and insane defense.

Lest I remind these people that this has happened before: Discovery had the same reception when it first came out. That most assuredly didn't last. Same with Picard. Why do they think for a second this series will be any different in the long run too? Especially given that trailer we've seen. There's nowhere to go but down.

This will be yet another failure in the long chain-link of Kurtzman Trek. Mark my words.

Desperation, man. When people want, see: NEED, more of their favorite property, they will go to any lengths to convince themselves anything with that precious logo is good.
And that is why our media has been hijacked and is at its current state today.
 
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I'll give Disney Star Wars this much....at least I kind of liked Rebels, or at the very least, I liked certain aspects of it. The Season 2 finale of Rebels is literally better than any of the Disney Trilogy sequels, and I liked how they handled Darth Maul and Grand Admiral Thrawn, and I enjoyed the Vader/Ahsoka showdown (how they handled her post that was ass). so hey, at least I got something out of it. And I liked two thirds of the last season of Clone Wars (guess which third of it I didn't like :biggrin:).

Point is, Animated Star Wars displayed effort, warts and all.

This...THIS just feels like Star Trek made for manbabies and by people who only have a vague idea of how Star Trek is supposed to work.
 
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Lest I remind these people that this has happened before: Discovery had the same reception when it first came out. That most assuredly didn't last. Same with Picard. Why do they think for a second this series will be any different in the long run too? Especially given that trailer we've seen. There's nowhere to go but down.
But you see, the first two seasons of TNG weren't very good, and as we all know, late 1980s episodic syndicated television production was literally exactly the same as producing today's short-season miniseries-style television for streaming services. Nope, no differences between the two.
 
This is random, but it's something that has always just bugged me so much. The universal translator!

Preface: I understand that this was a choice, and one I support. You want your actors to act, to emote, you want your audience to resonate with those emotions. You're never going to get that with fucking made up giberish alien language and sub-titles. I'm looking at you Star Wars, in fact, this is a huge pet peeve of mine, I fucking hate made up language. It's even worse in the fucking Star Wars video games, ESPECIALY TOR because they clearly use any fucking random line and write whatever they want. They all have exactly the same fucking delivery, tone, and length. But even when there's a little more care to it, it's awful, I hate it, don't make me read subtitles to made up languages it's fucking terrible (And mind you, I'm a huge weeb, and hardcore subs over dubs, it's not the subs I have a problem with, it's the made up language that the actor reading is more busy remembering the nonsense he has to say than actually emoting real dialogue.)

That said, there's these bits that bug me. That I know is just stuff the writers writes for drama or whatever, but in this episode of Deep Space Nine this dialogue happens:
Nog: "And if our fathers couldn't break us up, no koopd, koopd, koopde"
Jake: "Coup d'état, it's French."

Hold up! Was Nog talking English all along? Nog should be talking in Ferengi. In fact in little green men, we find out that if their translators aren't working and Nog, Quark and Rom are unable to communicate with Humans that speak English over in Area 51. So Nog should be speaking Ferengi and using whatever fucking word in Ferengi have for coup d'état!

But yeah, the writers wrote this line to make Nog's ignorance endearing... It still bugs me!!!

And the worst offender are Klingons, who can on a whim start just speaking Klingon for dramatic moments. Does that mean Klingons all learned to speak some other galactic language that the translator CAN translate but can't do Klingon? The best example of this is when, again in DS9, Gawron says something in Klingon and everybody looks expectantly to Worf who says "He said; Today is a good day to die."

Seriously? Fucking federation translator can't translate an idiom like Today is a good day to die, that is fucking said ad nauseaum by Klingons. Like, I bet most of you fucks can't speak French but can tell me what Au Revoir means simply because it's such a common French expression.

I know, I know, I know, it's all shit the writers do because they're thinking about writing a story first and then thinking about all that tech lore shit and only somebody autistic would obsess over that.

I just wanted to rant about it because it's always bugged me, like I'm fine accepting that a magical piece of technology lets everybody understand each other and that for the benefit of the audience it's best everybody just speaks English. But it's when they ignore that and still do shit like that I start asking questions!
 
I know, I know, I know, it's all shit the writers do because they're thinking about writing a story first and then thinking about all that tech lore shit and only somebody autistic would obsess over that.

This is why you should have at least one guy whose sole job is continuity. Maybe multiple guys depending on how involved the project is. But these guys cost money. Good shows do it, though. Think Breaking Bad, where they actually respect the fans enough to know that if they fuck up in any way, no matter how minor, they'll be called on it.

I'd say any Star Trek could do with at least two continuity masters, one for tech shit and one for culture. One of the more annoying things with SF in general and Trek in particular is when they just shit over previous tech continuity for some cheap plot point. It shows a lack of dedication. I haven't watched Woke Trek so I don't know specifically but I assume this has been chucked in the shitter just like everything else.
 
I always used to wonder how when the Enterprise crew would beam down to a pre-industrial society, they'd magically know what X humanoid culture was saying. I mean yea, universal translator is a thing in Trek but is it ever really specifically implied?
 
I always used to wonder how when the Enterprise crew would beam down to a pre-industrial society, they'd magically know what X humanoid culture was saying. I mean yea, universal translator is a thing in Trek but is it ever really specifically implied?
The Universal Translator was never specifically put down in any sort of detail as far as I know.

It is something that in universe people realize is being used though, Uhura had to actually use ((FUCKING PAPER)) dictionaries to translate into Klingon in Star Trek 6 so they wouldn't get caught because the Klingons would recognize the Universal Translator was being used to talk.
 
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