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The R series astromech droids do indeed communicate in code, it's mentioned several times in the EU. Corran Horn can actually understand the code as you see him several times having conversations with his R2 unit, Whistler, without a datapad.

As for X-Wings, the Astromechs serve as navigators for them as the X-Wing is a snubfighter and doesnt have an astronav computer like lets say a YT-1300 freighter.
 
Star Wars fake languages are great, they really sell how alien the aliens are (Star Wars, thanks to the magic of budget, also had better realized aliens than "guy with bumpy head")

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What makes no sense at all is why R2 talks in beeps and squeaks that only C3PO can understand. What language does R2 speak anyway? If it's meant to be a kind of machine code, why does it take so long for him to say short sentences? They built a sentient artificial intelligence with less ability to articulate words than a child's Speak and Spell toy circa 1979? Why?

Droids in general don't make much sense in Star Wars. Why does an X-wing need a robot copilot? What exactly is the point of a protocol droid and why would you want that capability rendered in 6ft tall mincing gold robot form instead of a tablet you can easily carry in your pocket? Maybe George Lucas didn't know what software was.

Star Trek goes too far in the opposite direction, apart from Data the writers don't seem to like robots very much even though you might expect the USS Enterprise to use drones for a lot of different jobs.
Star wars takes place a long time ago. It makes sense that the technology is so backwards when you don't think about it.
 
Though if you want to get autistic, we could point out Data was assigned to the Enterprise without understanding many common phrases. ;) (now do you think Data has a universal translator built in? or was he just programmed with every known language?)
I believe he mentions how many languages he knows at some point. As for not understanding certain phrases, not as uncommon as you might think. I had to explain to a girl I used to work with what 'you can lead a horse to water' meant.
 
Star Trek goes too far in the opposite direction, apart from Data the writers don't seem to like robots very much even though you might expect the USS Enterprise to use drones for a lot of different jobs.
Going off of Picard, there’s a reason for that. A really really stupid fucking reason.
 
The R series astromech droids do indeed communicate in code, it's mentioned several times in the EU. Corran Horn can actually understand the code as you see him several times having conversations with his R2 unit, Whistler, without a datapad.

As for X-Wings, the Astromechs serve as navigators for them as the X-Wing is a snubfighter and doesnt have an astronav computer like lets say a YT-1300 freighter.
Luke seems pretty aware of at least the gist of what R2 says.
 
That's why they should just mention it and move on, instead of doing weird, immersion disrupting things like having people lips move while other words come out or doing anything to mention it again. If it falls apart when you think about it, but you have to do it for the show to work dramatically, just make it so people don't think about it much. Don't bring it up. Don't do things (like idiom jokes) that make you think about it.

transporter is even worse, can't even remember that many translator shenanigan episodes.
however, while they might be simple plot devices they are (usually) used in a way it works and the only people that think too much about it are nerds like us.

which reminds me, galaxy quest was running at a friends place recently, always forget how fucking good it is.
what is this timeline where a parody is better trek than the official shit?

What makes no sense at all is why R2 talks in beeps and squeaks that only C3PO can understand. What language does R2 speak anyway? If it's meant to be a kind of machine code, why does it take so long for him to say short sentences? They built a sentient artificial intelligence with less ability to articulate words than a child's Speak and Spell toy circa 1979? Why?

Droids in general don't make much sense in Star Wars. Why does an X-wing need a robot copilot? What exactly is the point of a protocol droid and why would you want that capability rendered in 6ft tall mincing gold robot form instead of a tablet you can easily carry in your pocket? Maybe George Lucas didn't know what software was.

Star Trek goes too far in the opposite direction, apart from Data the writers don't seem to like robots very much even though you might expect the USS Enterprise to use drones for a lot of different jobs.

star wars is science fantasy, how technology works was never really the focus (just look at the technological progression which makes zero sense). that's why r2 makes funny noises so c3po can answer "no, you are a faggot" as some kind of dialog.

however c3po makes sense, he's basically a walking interpreter, and the protocol part imply that he also knows about customs and shit, so you'd want to bring him along just for that. "on this planet you great each other by holding up a fist and raise your middle finger". also elegantly solves the problem of not having to speak into some device you have to carry around, then shove it in someone's face to repeat it in their language.

as for starfleet and droids, my assumption is that they never really put much work in that field. noonien song was always depicted as some weird eccentric, and starfleet had more than enough manpower for most stuff, which also brought a versatility no drone could ever fill, so trying to cram AI into a human-sized body wasn't that interesting (another aspect st: patrick fucked up).
for industrial stuff they probably had more than enough automation with advanced AI, but that was hardly ever shown. only one I really remember was the part where the EMH was mining dilithium (which was more about the drama anyway, you can't tell me someone advanced as starfleet has to collect that shit by hand)
 
The people with facebumps is an other reason why it's a choice to do this: Big mechanical puppet Aliens is cool and everything, but animatronic eyes and mouth can convey some emotions sure, but it never is as powerful as a human face. Gene wanted his aliens to have mostly uncovered faces so that we could see them emote. It's the same reason alien languages are generally avoided.
 
The people with facebumps is an other reason why it's a choice to do this: Big mechanical puppet Aliens is cool and everything, but animatronic eyes and mouth can convey some emotions sure, but it never is as powerful as a human face. Gene wanted his aliens to have mostly uncovered faces so that we could see them emote. It's the same reason alien languages are generally avoided.

you don't really need to understand the language to be able to get the emotional expression tho, I doubt any alien [cries in choleric].
 
you don't really need to understand the language to be able to get the emotional expression tho, I doubt any alien [cries in choleric].
I know, as I said before, I love Japanese subs, I get the emotions. But when it's an actor reading a made up language they don't tend to put much emotion into it. It's very stiff and lifeless because they are reciting nonsense words.
 
MFW I watch clips of Lower Decks...
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This is unrelated to anything but I just stumbled across this on Youtube. Its an unused, full-length track of the score for the episode Booby Trap and I have to say its really outstanding work. The actual track they used in the episode is about a minute and a half long and I have to say this version is absolutely superior. If I still did game nights I'd definitely have this in the background as a battle track.


While we're on the topic of obscure Star Trek music, I was surprised to see that electronic music artist Bob James did his own take on the Motion Picture theme. This full version was apparently lost for decades until a copy of it turned up in 2012. Compared to stuff like the Meco version, its definitely unique. I dig that guitar section.
 
I liked the score of the episode Booby Trap. I managed to grab one of the signed copies of The Ron Jones Project a few years ago. It's on Spotify now. It's a real shame that he didn't get to score more Star Trek series.
It's also quite funny that he had the opportunity to write a parody of his Best of Both Worlds score for a Family Guy episode.
 
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