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XYZpdq said:
They must be advertising the fuck out of Lower Decks, my mom just texted me asking if I'd heard of it. I explained that I've heard of it existing but I've heard of food poisoning existing too.
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It starts with "D" and ends with "ion".

Rather like how much of it has been free so far. It's like they know no one will actually pay for this, and it's the only way they can get anyone to watch it at all.
 
XYZpdq said:
They must be advertising the fuck out of Lower Decks, my mom just texted me asking if I'd heard of it. I explained that I've heard of it existing but I've heard of food poisoning existing too.
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It’s part of that “whatever-number Days of Trek” CBS is doing. Basically it’s “here’s a full season of both Lower Decla and Discovery to get your Trek fix” promotion for the streaming service.
 
Miller said:
The same audience as STD and Jay-El: people who fucking love science, TBBT, hate science-fiction, have never watched Star Trek (and don't intend to) and have a wrong idea of what the franchise is all about because they only know it through the prism of the pop culture.
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It's pretty much the JJ Trek model applied to the TNG era. Everything is an exaggerated caricature of a vague second-hand impression the writers have of TNG/DS9/VOY.
 
Miller said:
The same audience as STD and Jay-El: people who fucking love science, TBBT, hate science-fiction, have never watched Star Trek (and don't intend to) and have a wrong idea of what the franchise is all about because they only know it through the prism of the pop culture.
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This is the power of (mainstream appeal) math, people!
 
rabo said:
That was one of the many things that Discovery fucking didn't get. It was bad enough they made Klingon looks like horror monsters but they'd kept talking in Klingon for entire scenes. I remember sitting there and thinking it was excruciating.
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You do not know Hamlet unless you have seen it in the original Klingon.


ZMOT said:
what is this timeline where a parody is better trek than the official shit?
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We've been telling you about how great The Orville is.

Other thoughts:
Avery Brooks is a fantastic actor.

The in-universe reason for tech being the way it was was that during the Earth Romulan War the Romulans hacked into Starfleet ships, or something like that.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
The in-universe reason for tech being the way it was was that during the Earth Romulan War the Romulans hacked into Starfleet ships, or something like that.
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Meh. I mean the first time we even get to see the Romulans the Enterprise technically hacked into their ship. Either that or Star Trek sensors are so absolutely powerful they can give you a visual reading of the inside of an enemy ship which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me. Doing the whole episode as blue sonar-like readings when the Romulans are on screen would have been eyeblazing I understand, but at no point is it explained how they're able to get such a clear image with colors and everything.

I mention that scene too because this is apparently the first ever moment humans lay eyes on Romulans. I question the ability of space hacking if the two sides in a war can't even figure out what each other looks like.
 
L50LasPak said:
Meh. I mean the first time we even get to see the Romulans the Enterprise technically hacked into their ship. Either that or Star Trek sensors are so absolutely powerful they can give you a visual reading of the inside of an enemy ship which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me. Doing the whole episode as blue sonar-like readings when the Romulans are on screen would have been eyeblazing I understand, but at no point is it explained how they're able to get such a clear image with colors and everything.

I mention that scene too because this is apparently the first ever moment humans lay eyes on Romulans. I question the ability of space hacking if the two sides in a war can't even figure out what each other looks like.
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Romulans do invest a lot in secrecy. Maybe they had disintegration orders if ever captured.
 
L50LasPak said:
Meh. I mean the first time we even get to see the Romulans the Enterprise technically hacked into their ship. Either that or Star Trek sensors are so absolutely powerful they can give you a visual reading of the inside of an enemy ship which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me. Doing the whole episode as blue sonar-like readings when the Romulans are on screen would have been eyeblazing I understand, but at no point is it explained how they're able to get such a clear image with colors and everything.

I mention that scene too because this is apparently the first ever moment humans lay eyes on Romulans. I question the ability of space hacking if the two sides in a war can't even figure out what each other looks like.
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Humans are pretty obvious about ourselves.

HEYYY

HEYYYY

WE'RE HUMANS

WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD COMMUNITIES AND BUILD NEW WORLDS

HEYYYY

Also in universe the second time we see the Romulans they're trying to build an alliance with the Klingons against the Federation after trying to do Neutral Zone shenanigans.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
Also in universe the second time we see the Romulans they're trying to build an alliance with the Klingons against the Federation after trying to do Neutral Zone shenanigans.
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That was technically never confirmed. The line is "Romulans using ships of Klingon design" and its never explained from there. My personal favorite theory is the urban legend that some dipshit on set dropped the Bird of Prey model and it cracked, so they had to use the Klingon ships instead. That one's never been confirmed either though, the standing theory is the FX crew just thought the Klingon ships would look better.

This continued all the way up to the movie era actually. There's a whole cut sequence in the ST3 script where the Klingons were supposed to steal their Bird of Prey from the Romulans. Seems the writers could never really make up their minds about it.
 
L50LasPak said:
That was technically never confirmed. The line is "Romulans using ships of Klingon design" and its never explained from there. My personal favorite theory is the urban legend that some dipshit on set dropped the Bird of Prey model and it cracked, so they had to use the Klingon ships instead. That one's never been confirmed either though, the standing theory is the FX crew just thought the Klingon ships would look better.
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After filming, the Bird of Prey model disappeared, which may account for the Romulans showing up in Klingon D7 cruisers in the third-season episode “The Enterprise Incident.” It may also have been the case that the producers wanted to display the D7 model as much as possible as a courtesy to the model kit company Aluminum Model Toys, which actually paid for it. In any event, the model’s whereabouts remain unknown.
 
I'm gonna back @Flexo up hard here and say if anyone in this thread hasn't read Forgotten Trek you either need to sit down with a drink for awhile or get the hell out. That site is a treasure trove of obscure Star Trek info.

Also for the less hardcore geeks it gives a lot of insight into how things were developed. Might actually help out any creative types who are struggling with what they want to put together.
 
L50LasPak said:
I'm gonna back @Flexo up hard here and say if anyone in this thread hasn't read Forgotten Trek you either need to sit down with a drink for awhile or get the hell out. That site is a treasure trove of obscure Star Trek info.

Also for the less hardcore geeks it gives a lot of insight into how things were developed. Might actually help out any creative types who are struggling with what they want to put together.
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I read most of the entries on Memory Alpha, I didn't know about this site thought so quite nice.

Of course, as soon as I look around the first thing I go look at is how they built Deep Space Nine. I'm such a sucker for that series.
 
Because I can't leave anything alone i'm rewatching the Lower Decks episode just to say I gave it a fair chance. The only reason I write this is I'm kind of sad about the Orion chick. She reminds me a lot of whatever Star Trek is supposed to be like. She's optimistic, she wants to go to space, she wants to see what's out there and, also, she actually wants to do her damn job. There's even a bit of SFDebris in her presentation. They almost literally quote his "I just wanted to study rocks!" joke at one point. I've warmed up to her a lot, but probably because I really hate almost every other character.

Cyborg schizo guy is okay I guess. He's intensely forgettable. Which is unfortunate as I think literaly ever other black dude on Star Trek was very remarkable, Off the top of my head you've got Geordi (of course), Worf (Dorn is an underrated actor if you ask me), Sisko (natrually), but then there's other roles like Paul Winfield as Captain Turrel or even Doctor Daystrom. The dude who played Daystrom in particular gave a great performance, and seemed like a genuinely tortured genius in contrast to other Starfleet officers who lose their shit for basically no reason. Not having a strong black character in Current Year, and in Star Trek of all places is actually really fucking shocking.

I also couldn't put my finger on this earlier, but the show reminds me of a really, really bad version of Schlock Mercenary. I dunno who here has wasted enough of their lives on the internet to be familar with that comic, but mark my words. Just start paging through it and you'll see what I'm thinking. Its good SF, but there's a lot of silliness. This show really fails to capture that.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
you mean ((SCIENCE))) because they don't actually love real Science, just the idea of it.
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I think there is a misconception. These people do not understand the difference between technobabble and science. They enjoy technobabble, cause it's a wonderous "make stuff happen" magic, that can always be used to overcome an obstacle, solve an issue or get some desirable effect. It doesn't matter if it's nonsensical or poorly constructed within the narrative, it is literally just a Deus Ex Machina (literally), to act as an explanation for why something happens. Technobabble is something that has always affected Star Trek, but in the past, it wasn't this sporadic and outright erratic. STD has something along the lines of "We shoot a Tachyon-beam through a pulsar and re-turboencabulate the spintronic higgs boson co-entanglement ionizer, so we can reallign the klingon spacetime crystals with greenwich mean time." It's way too much and too far out.

On the other hand, these people do not understand basic scientific concepts, such as the speed of light.

But I think they like that there is some vague notion of science in their series, so they can claim it's smarter than it is.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
STD has something along the lines of "We shoot a Tachyon-beam through a pulsar and re-turboencabulate the spintronic higgs boson co-entanglement ionizer, so we can reallign the klingon spacetime crystals with greenwich mean time." It's way too much and too far out.
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...or the sonar in space that detected the Klingorc ship.
The difference between the science in old Trek and KurtzmanTrek is that one respects science and use technobabble to explain some of their concepts, while the other just says a few "sciency" words and the entire crew start clapping because science is fucking cool and we need more girlz in STEM.
That said, I think Voyager overused the technobabble.
 
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