Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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UnKillFill said:
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Here's another picture of Nicole de Boer as pennance.
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UnKillFill said:
Ok, in response, here's a picture of present(ish?) Scarlett Pomers. (Naomi Wildman from Voyager.)

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I don't know why she's wearing an eyepatch, but she's still hot.
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Yarrr, I'd shiver her timbers and board her poop deck! Sure her sails may not be so full, but I bet they catch the wind just fine.
 
So I finally got around to finishing up the TOS movies recently, so what the hell, some quick thoughts:
The Barely-Moving Picture (TMP): I'll continue to defend this movie as being better than the general public opinion of it. I enjoy the slow-paced story and getting to experience the mystery as it unfolds, there's some truly spectacular effects work, and it's the closest we got to seeing TOS on the big screen. I also have a soft spot for the costumes, even if they were actually uncomfortable in real life. Plus, it's got Persis Khambatta, how can you go wrong?

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN (ST2): The one that JJ Trek tried and failed to copy three times, once explicitly so. More than just a simple revenge story, and more than just a tale of Kirk having to reckon with the fact he's getting older, you can also view it as some meta-commentary on the show and how everything always worked out in the end for Kirk no matter what he was facing. What happens when the stakes are raised and he loses someone dear to him? Great overall, and Spock's funeral will never fail to bring a tear to my eye.

The Search for More Money (ST3): Only kidding, don't get upset. It's not a bad movie per se, but it suffers from being sandwiched between two great movies. I guess you really can't have TOS movies without Spock, so time to bring him back. Despite being a weaker entry, it had some good moments, like McCoy having Spock in his head and Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon. David's death really seemed unnecessary, although that did get used well later on. Again, not bad, but less memorable.

The Voyage to 80's San Francisco (ST4): Definitely my favorite, even though I'd already seen it many times before. It's the most fun of them all, with a lot of great humorous moments coming into play from the entire cast being fish out of water. I like that it continues the story of Spock working to understand who he is again, and that pays off nicely at the end. I'd say it's the second-closest to TOS, down to the whole "let's set it in the present day so we can save on budget" aspect of it.

The Final Time Shatner Gets to Direct (ST5): Well, it's not great, but again, not as bad as its reputation (and given nu-Trek, I'll take it any day). It's a goofy premise, some of the effects are pretty meh, and it's clear they ran out of budget for various things. It also has the ST3 problem of coming between two great movies. Still, I consider this the "weird episode" of the series, and it's not like TOS didn't have its fair share of those. Even if you don't like it, it's still entertaining enough to poke fun at it. "What does...GOD need...with a...STARship?"

The Inability to Come Up with Another Fake Title (ST6): In a perfect world, this would have been the end of the TOS movies, a fitting send-off for the cast in one final adventure. It's got it all: action, political intrigue, mystery, great effects, and a satisfying conclusion to not only the movie, but the entire TOS era (oh, and another supermodel in the cast too). Since it released while TNG was on the air, you got to see the seeds that would lead to the later series, including a nice Michael Dorn cameo. Great movie, probably my second-favorite. It's just a damn shame that Generations had to come along and fuck up a great ending.
If I had to rank them, it would probably be 4 > 6 >= 1 >= 2 > 3 >= 5. While I think there's a modicum of truth to the old "odd numbers bad, even numbers good" rule of thumb, I don't think it's anywhere near that severe. More, "even numbers good, odd numbers slightly less good." A lot of the odd-numbered films look worse because they're being compared to better movies, but they're really not so bad on their own. And like I said in my ST5 blurb, I'll take the worst of these movies over nu-Trek any day.
 
As far as I'm concerned the only bad TOS movie is 5 and mainly just because I get really bored while watching it. Search For Spock is legit great, it just doesn't compare to the heights that 1, 2, and 4 reached. I got the chance to see that on the big screen when it aired in a local theater and James Horner's score combined with the visuals totally knocks it out of the park. Its a genuinely enjoyable movie and its main sins are David's incredibly pointless death and undoing the ending of Wrath of Khan.

I really challenge anyone who says "the odd numbered films suck" to tell me Kirk's one liners, Stealing the Enterprise or the final escape from Genesis aren't great.
 
I absolutely hate TMP, always have even since I was a kid. 5 is terrible but I can watch it. If I had to rate my favorite TOS movies in order, it would go :

Undiscovered County (this is the first and only TOS movie I saw in theaters when it was new)

Wrath of Khan

The Voyage Home

The Search for Spock

The Final Frontier.

I don't really consider Generations a TOS movie, to me it's the first TNG movie. I've seen every TNG movie in theaters and all nuTrek ones cept for Star Trek Beyond. Ironically, I enjoyed Beyond when I torrented it but after Into Darkness I didn't want to give them my money again. I think Into Darkness was the only movie my father and I actually walked out on.
 
UnKillFill said:
Also Tuvok. And they even later retconned it so that it actually was Tuvok, even though he wasn't a Vulcan in the film.
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It's confusing. Tim Russ appeared on the bridge of the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B. But then Voyager retconned Tuvok into being aboard Sulu's Excelsior, looking identical to that earlier character he played.
 
TMP has amazing aesthetics, imo. The uniforms and overall look was amazing. Yes, I know that there are some stories about how the uniforms were so uncomfortable for the cast, but I would have wanted them to simply fix them rather then give them the red uniforms.

Also, the first scene with the klingon ships is visual porn.

UnKillFill said:
Ok, in response, here's a picture of present(ish?) Scarlett Pomers. (Naomi Wildman from Voyager.)

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I don't know why she's wearing an eyepatch, but she's still hot.
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She's a pirate...
 
Dunno if anybody else has suggested this, but it occurred to me just now in the shower that one of the few remaining crumbs of potential in Picard era nu trek would be if a halfway decent writer decided to do a mirror universe episode with the twist of the mirror universe having finally turned things around in the wake of the crappy Terran rebellion plotline in DS9 and the entire alpha quadrant had peacefully united in the wake of nearly 4 centuries of pointless misery and adopted Spock's reforms to become a near perfect embodiment of the Roddenberry ideal, just to really hammer in how much of an irredeemable edgelord shithole the main universe has become by comparison.
 
Judge Holden said:
Dunno if anybody else has suggested this, but it occurred to me just now in the shower that one of the few remaining crumbs of potential in Picard era nu trek would be if a halfway decent writer decided to do a mirror universe episode with the twist of the mirror universe having finally turned things around in the wake of the crappy Terran rebellion plotline in DS9 and the entire alpha quadrant had peacefully united in the wake of nearly 4 centuries of pointless misery and adopted Spock's reforms to become a near perfect embodiment of the Roddenberry ideal, just to really hammer in how much of an irredeemable edgelord shithole the main universe has become by comparison.
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Shit that sounds like an entertaining idea. Would even work for disc s3 as they are in a far flung war-torn future.

Shame nobody will use it.
 
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