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Tasty Tatty said:
TMP has amazing aesthetics, imo. The uniforms and overall look was amazing. Yes, I know that there are some stories about how the uniforms were so uncomfortable for the cast, but I would have wanted them to simply fix them rather then give them the red uniforms.

Also, the first scene with the klingon ships is visual porn.
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Not to mention the iconic Klingon Theme.

 
TMP is a pure product of 70's sci-fi and how much you can tolerate that is going to color how much you like it. It could benefit from someone trying to do an edit and cutting ~40 minutes out of it to speed up the pacing because there are a lot of gems in it between the drawn-out sequences of nothing happening.

 
Maybe I'll try to revisit it, I haven't seen it since I was a kid and I hated it then because it was a chore to sit through and always made me sleepy. And also young White Devil hated the new uniforms.
 
White Devil said:
Maybe I'll try to revisit it, I haven't seen it since I was a kid and I hated it then because it was a chore to sit through and always made me sleepy. And also young White Devil hated the new uniforms.
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The concept was strong, but the movie was very heavily influenced by 2001: A Space Odyssey when it came to the pacing.
 
White Devil said:
Maybe I'll try to revisit it, I haven't seen it since I was a kid and I hated it then because it was a chore to sit through and always made me sleepy. And also young White Devil hated the new uniforms.
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I think a major problem with it was they had lots of ideas what kind of special effects they wanted in it and very few ideas what they wanted for a plot. It was ultimately a dull movie not because it was "slow" (although it was) but because there wasn't anything going on beneath the surface either. They had about enough content for a normal size TOS episode but had to fill an entire movie.
 
AnOminous said:
I think a major problem with it was they had lots of ideas what kind of special effects they wanted in it and very few ideas what they wanted for a plot. It was ultimately a dull movie not because it was "slow" (although it was) but because there wasn't anything going on beneath the surface either. They had about enough content for a normal size TOS episode but had to fill an entire movie.
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When you consider that the plot for TMP was taken from an unused Phase 2 script, then it makes a lot more sense. It's an hour's plot strung out into two hours of movie, and rather than write another hour of plot, they filled it with a lot of long tracking special effects shots. They're beautiful shots, but it gets its reputation as the boring one for a reason.

Like I said, I like it quite a bit, but I also like slow burn movies. That kind of movie isn't for everyone, so your mileage may vary. There's a little more than nothing going on beneath the surface, but I think the backstory behind Decker and Kirk's return to the Enterprise was somewhat rushed through, probably lifted from another episode's script. Maybe more could have been done to expand on that and flesh out how things have changed since we last saw the Enterprise.
 
White Devil said:
Maybe I'll try to revisit it, I haven't seen it since I was a kid and I hated it then because it was a chore to sit through and always made me sleepy. And also young White Devil hated the new uniforms.
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If you're going to watch it, be sure to watch this version:
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Director's Edition (DVD)

Star Trek: The Motion Picture The Director's Edition is a special two-disc widescreen Director's Edition DVD of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, featuring new scenes, enhanced visual effects, a new sound mix as well as a selection of especially produced special features, which constituted a first...
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Sadly, it was only released on DVD and likely will never get a Blu-ray release due to technical issues.
 
I'm partial to the extended VHS edition. There was some added dialogue I liked that isn't in any other version. I haven't seen the movie or read any of the cast's books in many years, but I think it was an exchange Shatner and Nimoy came up with and convinced Wise to shoot.

All I remember about the DC is a clearer view of Vejur and they shrunk the energy cloud for some reason. I guess someone did the math and decided the Enterprise wasn't traveling through the cloud fast enough to traverse 41 AU in two days.
 
Standardized Profile said:
I'm partial to the extended VHS edition. There was some added dialogue I liked that isn't in any other version. I haven't seen the movie or read any of the cast's books in many years, but I think it was an exchange Shatner and Nimoy came up with and convinced Wise to shoot.

All I remember about the DC is a clearer view of Vejur and they shrunk the energy cloud for some reason. I guess someone did the math and decided the Enterprise wasn't traveling through the cloud fast enough to traverse 41 AU in two days.
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IIRC, the original size of the cloud is so massive, it's almost unbelieveable that it got as far as it did without someone noticing it. Like it's diameter is the equivalent of sun to pluto.
 
Miller said:
Wasn't it released on Blu-ray last year?
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I don't think so. If it was, please post the link because I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
The TL;DR is that they rendered the new FX in 480i and they would look like shit in HD or 4k. They would have to completely redo the effects and Paramount/CBS/Viacom/whoever don't give a damn about the old Trek and are to cheap to fix it.
 
TMP was pretty cool. The production values were great and still look good

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It was definitely a product of its time, as you can see in the costume design in general and particularly the Leisure Suit Leonard look (btw 70's futurism has aged worse than the sleeker 60's aesthetic)

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The story is definitely too slight to justify the run time. The new characters kinda sucked too, I didn't like Decker or the bald chick, or care about their weird relationship.

It wasn't nearly as fun as Wrath or Voyage, but it feels like an epic space adventure for adults, which is something few movies even attempt now.
 
The only thing I solidly remember from TMP besides all the Enterprise glory shots was the bald chick. Half the shots from TMP could have made a badass 90s screensaver but who am I kidding, I bet most people used The Matrix.
 
The Seige of AR-558 was a fantastic episode that I just finished. Really really liked it. It definitely showed the bleakness and "reality" of being on the front-line for Starfleet in a war where they are stretched so thin that it seems like everyone there had been abandoned and trapped to complete an objective. It made me think of a few other things at several points in it. The ground crew that was stationed there gave me vibes of the Colonial Marines from Aliens first. That kind of evolved more closer to the Starship Troopers novel with what it meant to be a soldier and their duties there, as well as the part with Sisko losing consciousness during all the action and waking up in the aftermath. Then it started reminding me of Seven Samurai in two aspects, one was obviously the siege part of it, and then the other was the cost of victory being the deaths of the troops that you got to know during it.

Raymond Cruz as Vargas was awesome and gave a really great performance, and it was cool to see another Salamanca within the franchise. Quark having to deal with the reality of Nog being in Starfleet and the consequences of that was handled pretty well too, and during the scene where he is in the infirmary with Nog during the siege it was awesome to see him coming to terms with everything. They didn't even have to slap the viewer in the face and have him prattle off some little monologue, just showing him reacting to the sounds of the chaos outside was enough. Quark getting his 3rd(?) direct kill was also a good cap to his character arc through the episode, from being completely unprepared and out of place for the combat situation and then adapting to it in the end without having to rely on anyone else.

This was definitely one of my favorites.
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
TMP was pretty cool. The production values were great and still look good

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It was definitely a product of its time, as you can see in the costume design in general and particularly the Leisure Suit Leonard look (btw 70's futurism has aged worse than the sleeker 60's aesthetic)

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The story is definitely too slight to justify the run time. The new characters kinda sucked too, I didn't like Decker or the bald chick, or care about their weird relationship.

It wasn't nearly as fun as Wrath or Voyage, but it feels like an epic space adventure for adults, which is something few movies even attempt now.
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McCoy's outfit there was one of the best things about that movie.
 
Siege of AR-558 was probably my second favorite episode of that season. Nog losing his leg and his PTSD in the later episode.... It was so good.

I recently finished DS9 but haven't fully collected my thoughts on it.
 
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