Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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SteelPlatedHeart said:
So Discovery has gone from being a prequel to a dystopian far future then. Good job fucking up the past and future of the series, I guess.
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That whole show just obviously lacks any vision and planning. They just go with whatever comes to their mind, hoping it'll stick with the audience and inadvertendly, they just create a confusing mess with poor pacing and poor continuity. hashtagStarWars.

Tasty Tatty said:
A ship going to the future where the Federation doesn't exist any more sounds like a good plot and reminds me of that TNG episode when one of the many alternative realities was the Federation being destroyed by the borg. The scene only last like ten seconds and it's very haunting to hear "we're one of the last ships left, the borg are everywhere" before the comm. is cut.

If you think about it, it's also the plot for First Contact if the Enterprise crew wasn't successful. Assimilating earth in the past means no Federation in the future. Even "Voyage Home" has that plot in a more comedic way: "future's in trouble, we're going back to fix it...whales!!".

So, such plot sounds interesting on paper, but if the intention is "we're gonna fix this!", then it's just a rehash and there is no way they can do it in the way FC or VH did it before.

if the intention is just going to the future and blame whatever is their version of Trump and Nazis for it and just leave it there, then what's the payback? Everything Kirk, Picard, Sisko, or every other single characters we've loved for more than 50 years did before was only a waste of time because we want to say "fuck nazis, diversity is good".
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My guess:
They find out that some evil privileged white man has at some point taken over the Federation and caused it to fail, cause he ordered the construction of a spacewall along the southern border of the Federation to keep out poor Space Mexicans or whatever.
Maybe we'll even get someone, possibly that fat ginger hambeast, exclaim "He had the Federation shoot down spaceships full of refugees!"

And I'll be damned if they don't somehow ties this back to Kirk. Somehow, he started something that would eventually give rise to the evil privileged white man. Anything to shat on Based Bill, patron saint of Twitter shitposting.
 
White Devil said:
Oh god, I hate that song they use for the opening. Thank you.
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gotta admit, it grew on my over the years, but I also never started from the "it has be orchestral reeeeeeeeee" spot. I think it fits the idea much better, it's not about wacky starfleet antics, but the pioneering spirit getting there, which is a tad bit different imo.

certainly prefer it over archer's theme people were saying should be the opening theme (I think it's the ending now), because among reasons "it's just like the others" is a stupid argument.
 
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Starscreams Cape said:
I gotta admit after "Into Darkness" I fell into the trap of thinking this movie wasn't half bad. With the pointing out of every plot hole he made I just sunk lower and lower into my chair.
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It IS a step up from Into Darkness and is the best of the Kelvin 3.

But like we said about ST5: that doesn't make it a great movie.

(I will try finishing it up later - though I think drinker may be too hard on it. First complaining about it ripping off past films, then complaining about what's new.*)

(*And I can't say he's wrong or off base either - but at least a lot of what I saw so far, the complaints weren't really about Beyond - but things that had been laid down in the Kelvin movies from the start. - But now I'm starting to sperg.)
 
UnKillFill said:
I still feel kind of bad for accidentally ruining some of DS9 for you, but if you're watching Enterprise right now, here's something of a peace offering for you:
(Not a spoiler, Enterprise never actually used this as a theme song, it's the theme song for some 80's sitcom, but it totally matches up perfectly with the Enterprise opening.) The actual Enterprise theme was terrible, and it only got worse.
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Some 80s sitcom? SOME 80S SITCOM!? Sir, I must correct you, that is the theme song for Perfect Strangers, one of the rare watchable TGIF series and the home of the Myposian Dance of Joy.

And it's bizarre how closely the theme fits with the footage from Enterprise, with the beats matching up nicely, especially as the ship zooms off at the end. I think ENT had a couple different themes but the Rod Stewart version was enough to clue us all in to what we were about to see.
 
Watching the BlackPantsLegion Star Track RPG videos and it's fucking hilarious. Even though it's unadultered nonsense, it has a distinct Star Trek feel to it.
 
ZMOT said:
gotta admit, it grew on my over the years, but I also never started from the "it has be orchestral reeeeeeeeee" spot. I think it fits the idea much better, it's not about wacky starfleet antics, but the pioneering spirit getting there, which is a tad bit different imo.
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But still the incidental music is the exactly same dull style that DS9, Voyager and late TNG used. It could've used a bit more wacky / TOS musical influences.
 
I actually liked the TNG opening theme. TOS will always be my favorite but TNGs was good. DS9's was also very distinct but it was kind of bland. I have no opinion on Voyager because I've blotted out all memory of it past Jeri Ryan's tits.
 
White Devil said:
I actually liked the TNG opening theme. TOS will always be my favorite but TNGs was good. DS9's was also very distinct but it was kind of bland. I have no opinion on Voyager because I've blotted out all memory of it past Jeri Ryan's tits.
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I am ashamed to admit that there was such a long stretch between initial and repeat viewings of ST:TMP that I did not realize TNG swiped that their theme from it.
 
Preferred Penne said:
This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but I think the Excelsior class is one of the ugliest ship designs ever. That big fat turtleneck looking thing makes it look so dumpy.
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I'm actually surprised how much I like the NX-01 design. It's very sleek. I also really enjoyed the Defiant, I nicknamed it the Disc of Death.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
*Spock and Kirk really are at each other's throats in this one. Kirk tells Spock to mind his own business, later Spock says that if Kirk's quest to find Kodos affects the running of the Enterprise it IS his business
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As I continue to watch the Original series one of the things I've noticed is how characters disagree with their superior officers. Like you mentioned Spock confronts Kirk on his quest for vengeance but he does so in a professional way, saying that if Kirks obsession affects the lives of the crew Spock will be forced to take command for the good of the ship. Similarly in the Doomsday Machine episode Spock regains control of the ship by calmly pointing out that the Admirals mental state is not fit for command and he will have McCoy medically diagnose him as suicidal and unfit for command. In the episode where Kirk goes full Ahab on the energy cloud both Spock and McCoy confront him over his obsessions saying he is behaving irrational and putting their lives at risk and how he is better than this.

Compare this to most modern media where if someone disagrees with their superior its usually in an aggressive manner usually pulling a gun on them and shouting at them how they are wrong while trying to convince everyone else to join them in their mutiny. I've seen some clips of STD and in it Michael is physically assaulting her Captain and people arrogantly talk down to their superiors, just telling them to their face they are wrong and the hero is always right. This is in contrast to TOS where characters confront Kirk not because they think they're right but because they think Kirk is going down a dark path and he's a better person than that.

Starscreams Cape said:
*This episode really shows the strong classical writing in TOS. Shakespeare is used to good effect
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Whats great about it is the episode isn't just throwing in a few references to Shakespeare and having them perform part of Hamlet, they actually incorporated some elements from Shakespeare and the core elements of Hamlet into the episode. Kirk in the episode exhibits Hamlets fatal flaw of indecisiveness where even when he has some proof that Karidian is Kodos he hesitates to try and kill him or arrest him. It causes some problems like the near murder of Riley but it also shows Kirks dedication to do what is right and how his indecisiveness can be a positive where it results in the real murderer being uncovered. Karidian/Kodos also incorporates some of Claudius and MacBeth into his character where he is tormented by the evil he has committed and dragged a woman he loved into darkness, even if she wasn't that innocent to begin with. The writers read Hamlet, saw some of the main themes behind it, and rewrote a more optimistic version of the story. I can't see modern TV doing anything like that today.
 
Preferred Penne said:
This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but I think the Excelsior class is one of the ugliest ship designs ever. That big fat turtleneck looking thing makes it look so dumpy.
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I read somewhere that that was intentional. Maybe I heard it on the DVD commentary. The Excelsior was supposed to represent Japanese aesthetics. This was made at a time when the US felt very threatened by Japanese tech and cars. So the characters and audience are supposed to feel bad about this thing replacing the Enterprise.

This was surprising to me because I always liked the Excelsior.
 
Preferred Penne said:
This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but I think the Excelsior class is one of the ugliest ship designs ever. That big fat turtleneck looking thing makes it look so dumpy.
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I tried STO once..and it made me realize how much I hate every federation ship design outside of Constitution and Galaxy.
 
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