Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Thought of one, its a mix of the plot of The Royale, Sub Rosa, and Quantum Leap. Beverly Crusher gets pulled into some sort of multidimensional matrix made up of the plots of Harlequin Romance novels and has to live out and solve the mysteries of each one to try and get back to her reality. Wesley with his Traveler powers acts as a guide trying to pull her from one novel reality to another, but since he hasn't mastered his abilities he can't just magic her out of there without dire consequences. Jake Sisko's encounter with the Pah-wraith also gave him the power to affect the Harlequin Dimension in a limited capacity due to a secret residual energy left over, as he is a natural writer. Working as a team they try to solve, The Book of Beverly!
 
Star Trek but with the Kzinti clones of the animated show made central to the show, except instead of Niven's, they're all genderfluid furfag fetish fuel like Chakats, super Mary Sues that are worshipped by everyone and rule the universe, and the entire show is about their disgusting, degenerate polyamorous pansexual lifestyles and how awesome they are for living them. Also Wesley Crusher is an Admiral and throw in Neelix just because everyone loves him.
 
So I just finished Rogue Planet, I've noticed that the Star Trek franchise has a real stick up it's ass about hunting and it gets real ham fistedly preachy about it. Shits real annoying and disingenuous I feel, they try to portray something we've done since the beginning of our species as a bad thing.

Besides that, it feels like they're trying to subtly set up T'Pol and Archer as a couple. While I feel T'Pol and Trip would make a better pairing, I think it would be nice to not have a romance angle among the crew. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things though.
 
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Not just TV and movies are outdated in ST, the whole entertainment industry is not existent and it's out of relevance. I know that it's due to IRL copyright, but in universe, it feels like most modern entertainment didn't make it to Federation times. Only theatre has survived and works with expired copyrights.

My crack theory is that, at some point before the first contact, Disney bought every single IP and label on earth and established such impossible copyright standards that people turned to basics and free media, mostly books and music. The Disney started the third war, yadayadayada.
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My interpretation is that nuclear war devastated digital media, so all that was left over was the stuff stored in a bomb shelter somewhere like the Library of Congress. In the 1960s archiving stuff was actually a point of contention because people were taking the threat of total destruction very seriously, so nobody wanted to be that guy that accidentallly all of future culture just because he wanted to put a small comic strip about fart jokes in with the serious billboard forehead stuff.

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Star Trek but with the Kzinti clones of the animated show made central to the show, except instead of Niven's, they're all genderfluid furfag fetish fuel like Chakats, super Mary Sues that are worshipped by everyone and rule the universe, and the entire show is about their disgusting, degenerate polyamorous pansexual lifestyles and how awesome they are for living them. Also Wesley Crusher is an Admiral and throw in Neelix just because everyone loves him.
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Here is your award sir:

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White Devil said:
So I just finished Rogue Planet, I've noticed that the Star Trek franchise has a real stick up it's ass about hunting and it gets real ham fistedly preachy about it. Shits real annoying and disingenuous I feel, they try to portray something we've done since the beginning of our species as a bad thing.

Besides that, it feels like they're trying to subtly set up T'Pol and Archer as a couple. While I feel T'Pol and Trip would make a better pairing, I think it would be nice to not have a romance angle among the crew. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things though.
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That never really sat right with me because TOS at its core was the OG space western, sometimes even literally re-using sets from western productions going on around the same time and even re-using some western plots. Captain Kirk literally fights fucking Indians at one point. And Star Trek is supposed to be all about respecting native cultures and stuff, let them hunt their damn buffalo. What kind of a western is it if we don't get a little hunting action?
 
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I keep having this recurring dream that there's this new Star Trek All Stars show on TV that I keep forgetting to watch. It takes place on a ship crewed by characters from the various shows. Everybody still looks exactly like they did in the 90s.

I wonder why I keep having this dumb dream and think it's some sort of lingering consoomer guilt for not watching the current Trek shows, especially Picard. Because that show technically does have cast members from previous shows.
 
Its been about 10 years since I watched TOS in any regard and I'm thinking about binging all 3 seasons over the course of a month or two. Hope it still holds up as well as I remember.

Also, the more I read and hear about Gene the more he comes off as a creepy asshole with a few good ideas. He might have had the initial concept but everyone else carried his success to the finish line.
 
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My interpretation is that nuclear war devastated digital media, so all that was left over was the stuff stored in a bomb shelter somewhere like the Library of Congress. In the 1960s archiving stuff was actually a point of contention because people were taking the threat of total destruction very seriously, so nobody wanted to be that guy that accidentallly all of future culture just because he wanted to put a small comic strip about fart jokes in with the serious billboard forehead stuff.
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The RTT game Ground Control manual slash novella had already done almost exactly this and the toaster fuckers were the Good Samaritans post WWIII.
 
Favorite Enterprise designs? I think this was talked about earlier but just thought I would share as well. I love the refit constitution class and its appearance in TMP with that special paint job is stunning. It just doesn't look quite as good in the following movies. Memory Alpha has a really nice write up about it and the model is currently at Amazon headquarters.

Might be unpopular but my runner up is the sovereign class Enterprise E. Just a really clean, sleek design that looks mean. Excelsior refit Enterprise B is better looking than the first design as well.

Galaxy class is iconic but it just looks way to fat, like a space winnebago or something. Saucer separation would have been cool if they actually did it on a consistent basis instead of like 3 times. Enterprise C is forgettable.
 
If I had to rank Enterprise aesthetics...

Enterprise A (Constitution refit)
TOS Enterprise (Constitution, it's just iconic)
Enterprise C (Ambassador class)
NX-01 (NX class)
Enterprise E (Sovereign class)
Enterprise D (Galaxy class)
Enterprise B (Ugly class)
 
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Galaxy class is a bit of a fail. IIRC, the model always had to be filmed at a slight pitch angle because the saucer section looks wrong. Apparently, your brain assumes it's a circle, but it's really an ellipse. An elliptical saucer only looks "right" if it is longer than it is wide. This was tolerable in the TV show but they trashed the Enterprise-D in its first and only film to replace it with a design that wasn't an optical illusion.
 
I had the TNG technical manual a long time ago that went into specifics and that ship had so much shit in it I could barely understand how the thing was supposed to work. That and the crew had kids and stuff on it so they were constantly in harms way basically all the time.

Forgot to mention the TOS Constitution Class. Love it as well. Might as well list it all. So:

1) Refit Constitution Class
2) Sovereign Class
3) Constitution Class
4) Excelsior Class Refit
5) NX 01 Class?
6) Ambassador Class
7) Galaxy Class
 
I don't remember if it's canon or not, but the Enterprise J is also stupid looking as fuck. Clownshoes the Starship.

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5) NX 01 Class?
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NX is the class, 01 is the designation. The NX-01 Enterprise was Starfleets first Warp 5 capable deep space ship. It was also really small with a crew of 83.
 
Enterprise F from the MMO also looks like a bloated whale. Agree that the J also looks particularly stupid and the Future Enterprise D is way too busy looking with the 3rd nacelle and cannon being unnecessary.

There was a good bit in the making of the motion picture where they went over planet of the titans and phase II designs. The unused Enterprise design with the wedge shaped engineering section can be seen in STIII in spacedock. The studio also wanted the Enterprise to become excessively busy with surface detail because Star Wars was such a big hit. Glad that they stuck with the sleek design and Aztec pattern for the saucer/deflector grid. I'd love to see the model in person if I ever get the chance and the OG Enterprise at the Smithsonian.
 
Hmm, ranking the OG Enterprises. That's a tough one.

1. TOS Constitution Class. There's something just perfect about the design, Matt Jefferies was a genius.
2. TMP Refit Enterprise. Send a genius in to do a genius's job. Probert outdoes himself on this, and I say that as someone who likes his other designs like Airwolf.
3. The Enterprise D but not for the reasons you might think. It really does look like a hotel in space. Its exactly the kind of thing I'd expect the super domesticated federation of the 24th century to design, and to me that actually makes it better.
4. I'm not actually going to dignify the Enterprise B with a rating and just gonna put Excelsior here because of how good it looks in ST3. Technically the same model anyway. The teal paintjob is neat, but all the extra bulk is shitty.
5. Enterprise E is just. Meh. It feels kind of like its supposed to be a hot rod, but it doesn't sell me.
6. Enterprise C is at the bottom of this list. Its deceptively good looking in Yesterday's Enterprise, but the model itself is ugly, spindly, and just does not look good in general.
7: The NX-01 just doesn't do it for me. Its going up against the OG Constitution Class. You're fucked no matter how well it was designed.
8. This thing: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(XCV_330)
 
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Eh, probably because I have so many models of it, but I am a sucker for the D.

I mean! Enterprise-D. (Well now I get what all of Riker's pickup lines were - "I'm commander of the D - the Enterprise-D.") Followed by the A (my catch all for "movie refit" - you know I'm right). Even like the D+ version - or as it should be called "Riker's Pimp hand."

I think each one fits it's era pretty well. Like someone said, D for "domesticated" and with the E, the Federation is ready to actually kick ass. If anything what bugs me is that the original Enterprise kind of got ships stuck in that design mode of saucer + 2 glow sticks. I like the Ben Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand for it's unusual design. And the Oberath class is dumb, but it's an effort at being something new. Akira class ship was a great original too.

Even sometimes liked Voyager since it does kind of look like it might be some kind of atmosphere skimmer.

Not big on the NX. It almost looked too much like an offshoot of the E rather than a prototype of what would become a main line of the Federation design.
 
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