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JFC, the Guardian of Forever was named "Carl" as an homage to Carl Sagan.

Ahead of the debut of "Terra Firma Part 2," Inverse spoke with the writers of the episode — Bo Yeon Kim, Erika Lippoldt, and Kalinda Vazquez — to discuss the nitty-gritty of Trek time travel, what's next for Georgiou, and why they brought back a very famous Star Trek plot device all the way from 1967.

After spending roughly two episodes back in the Mirror Universe, Philippa Georgiou returns to the surface of the planet Dannus V, only to be faced with yet another choice. She can't go back to the Mirror Universe, and she can't stay in the Prime Universe either. But, with the help of the mysterious Carl (Paul Guilfoyle), there's another path.

But who is Carl? Turns out, he's actually the personification of the Guardian of Forever, a time portal first seen in perhaps the most famous — and most beloved — classic Harlan Ellison-penned Star Trek episode, "The City on the Edge of Forever." Hiding on a distant planet — different from the one Spock and Kirk visited — the Guardian offers its services to help take Georgiou to a new time and place.
The Discovery writers tell Inverse they wanted the resolution to Georgiou's time-sickness to have a timey-wimey solution. This means they considered some other options, including The Next Generation's enigmatic Q, or a "time weapon that was confiscated during the Temporal Cold War."
Ultimately, they decided the best option was the Guardian of Forever.

"We’ve been itching to find a way to use the Guardian on Discovery," Kim and Lippoldt tell Inverse. "The Guardian also provides flexibility in that it has only appeared in that episode, and The Animated Series episode "Yesteryear" — which somewhat amusingly broke the rules established in the TOS episode — so we felt there was room to do something new and different with it."

The writers also reveal they almost went a totally different direction with the episode. The original plan didn't involve the Mirror Universe at all.
"Burnham and Georgiou were going to beam down to the planet expecting to find the Guardian, and instead come across a lone house with a garden — not unlike the house in TNG’s “The Survivors." Its sole occupant, a mysterious Gardener, would turn out to be the Guardian," the writers explain. "Georgiou was going to live out her final hours there choosing to have a perfect day with (Prime) Burnham -- it involved baking an apple pie!"
The team says we didn't see this pie-baking scenario because they "realized that a much larger, cathartic story" was needed to make the final journey of Georgiou pack a larger punch.

Speaking of apple pie, the late-great Carl Sagan once said: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." In Discovery, the writers may not have gotten their apple pie inside of a pocket-universe, but they did name the new persona for the Guardian of Forever directly after the famous astrophysicist.

"When we discussed the personification of the Guardian of Forever, we wanted to create a being who seemed both omniscient, but also perpetually curious about all things in the universe," Vazquez explains. "Carl Sagan was brought up by our showrunners Michelle Paradise and Alex Kurtzman as a potential analog because of his tendency to philosophize about all the unknown the galaxy holds. Sagan was definitely an inspiration for Carl!"

Fans of Sagan's fiction might note that the functioning of the Trek portal is similar to time travel depicted in the movie version of Contact, based on a novel by Sagan. In both instances, people journey across time and space, but from the perspective of the real world, only minutes have passed. Like Dr. Arroway's hours of static videotape, Georgiou similarly has "three months worth of biodata" in her nifty little wrist monitor.

Enterprise did it better:
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Neelix along with rest of the crew always had been at the mercy of the writers for every single episode. Just most of VOY writers wrote him terribly for most episodes. But when someone competent does writes for him the contrast is astounding and shows just how much the character and the actor have been wasted.

I always liked neelix, maybe I subconsciously managed to overlook the bad episodes.

also, food for thought: imagine what you have to do (and be able to) to make a klingon woman ask for seconds. poor kes? or poor tom, can't really decide...
 
They probably swindled the technology out of the first Federation ship they encountered for three bars of gold-pressed latinum and to add insult to injury, they were counterfeit.
If I remember correctly the Ferengi bought their warp technology from the Breen. Part of the deal was several ice comets in the Ferengi's home solar system, one small ice moon in the system, and the arctic regions of Ferenginar itself.

Now whether or not Ferenginar actually even has arctic regions....
 
Bajoran workers, your attention please. Your attempt to seize control of this facility is going to fail. You are valuable workers and we wish you no harm. However, if you do not return control of this unit to your Cardassian supervisors, we will be forced to take action. You have eight minutes to make your decision.
 
Bajoran workers, your attention please. Your attempt to seize control of this facility is going to fail. You are valuable workers and we wish you no harm. However, if you do not return control of this unit to your Cardassian supervisors, we will be forced to take action. You have eight minutes to make your decision.
"And as always, thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart."
 
Bajoran workers, your attention please. Your attempt to seize control of this facility is going to fail. You are valuable workers and we wish you no harm. However, if you do not return control of this unit to your Cardassian supervisors, we will be forced to take action. You have eight minutes to make your decision.
Just started S7. I miss when every Dukat episode wasn't about who he was fucking that week.
 
So DS9; spent the last 4 months whatching it for the first time finally got to season seven and won’t start it until New Years . I can’t even begin to explain how much I’ve come to love this show and enjoy every season . It’s truly a Star Trek show that’s a cut above the rest . I can’t believe I’ve never watched it before this year but I’m glad I did . Now if you’ll excuse me; “ come to quark's quark's is fun”
 
So DS9; spent the last 4 months whatching it for the first time finally got to season seven and won’t start it until New Years . I can’t even begin to explain how much I’ve come to love this show and enjoy every season . It’s truly a Star Trek show that’s a cut above the rest . I can’t believe I’ve never watched it before this year but I’m glad I did . Now if you’ll excuse me; “ come to quark's quark's is fun”
Honestly, as much as I love TNG since it was running when I was a kid I can't deny that DS9 eventually became my favorite. Sure I'd rather be stationed on the Enterprise than DS9 but I'd far rather watch DS9 than TNG.

The cast was better, imo. Quark and Garak alone were better than half the TNG cast.
 
So DS9; spent the last 4 months whatching it for the first time finally got to season seven and won’t start it until New Years . I can’t even begin to explain how much I’ve come to love this show and enjoy every season . It’s truly a Star Trek show that’s a cut above the rest . I can’t believe I’ve never watched it before this year but I’m glad I did . Now if you’ll excuse me; “ come to quark's quark's is fun”
Don't walk, run!
 
I don't know a lot of fans of Trek who don't regard DS9 as the height of the series, and rightly so!

Also Merry Christmas fellow Trekkies, I've asked Neelix to make us a lavish feast!

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Who's got space for glazed Leola Roots and Sprilk Egg Nog?
 
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*Facepalm* I was sitting there last night trying to think of a Christmas-y Star Trek holiday and I couldn't think of anything when the Gratitude Festival was staring right in my face.

Peldar Jol everybody!

I'll tell you one thing, everybody's gonna need a bigger renewal scrolls for the troubles we've had in 2020!
 
Anybody ever wish they could try the cuisine of other races?
Part of me really wants to try Heart of Targ.
I'd stay the fuck away from Klingon cuisine it's basically real Chinese cooking where they love their food to remind you as much as possible that this was a living thing. And in some case still living!

I'd love to try that thing Jake does with a Raktajino:
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And half the drinks that Quark mixes look so neat.

Absolutely would have to try Kanar too, as long as it's not just not colored corn syrup!

I'm not even a huge alcohol guy but all those alien drinks look so inviting!

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For such a grey, drab people, Romulan ale has such a nice color I'd love to try it.
 
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