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Relevent wheaton sob story brought up a while back on the wheaton thread
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- Footage of Rick Berman shortly after driving the little shit one step further to the noose -
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Wtf? I love Rick Berman now.
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I think they might be referring to the fact that Starship Troopers (the movie) had an anti-fascist message but made being a fascist look like so much damn fun. Other than the part where the military sucks at war and you get killed, but even that gets fixed by the end of the movie.
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Imagine fighting an interstellar war with just foot mobiles.
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No, it was intended as a parody of the original, but since Verhoeven had no fucking clue what the original was even about, never having read it, it was completely off-base. Heinlein was done a disservice. It was a mildly amusing action flick with cringy "anti-fascism" somewhat marring it. And as someone else said, it completely failed even at that messaging, as it made fascism look really cool and fun.
God that's beautiful. Another moment of Wil never even considering maybe he has something to do with people not liking him.
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iirc Starship Troopers didn't even become "based on" the book until partway through development when the studio noticed it had the rights to the ip. Like I, Robot.
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I STILL see people to this day claiming the Citizen's Republic model presented by Starship Troopers is totally fascist without realizing that by doing so they're more or less endorsing fascism as a perfectly workable and even preferable system to live under.
To be fair, at first it wasn't his fault because he was really fucked over by Gene Roddenberry not realizing that A Trekkie's Tale was NOT supposed to be a fanmade guideline on character writing, and because the writers probably felt they had better things to do than polish up that self inert Mary Sue.
But he decided to be a btter soy-filled bitch about it and ended up becoming as unlikable as the character he played.
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Citizen's Republic was based on the United States when only land and/or business owners had earned the right to vote by having skin in the game. And the most to lose should they vote wrong in any election whether it's city, county, state and federal. As opposed to renters, homeless and vagabonds who have little to nothing to lose by voting wrong and can immediately run off to the next town, county, or state to get away from the consequences of their vote.
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lmao at video clip. So the society in Starship Troopers is supposed to be a fascist state right? Except one can become a successful businessman without needing to be a citizen, which means that the free market exists. Enlistment isn't even compulsory since they actively encourage recruits to not enlist with various amputees. Even in boot camp, Sargeant Zim barks out that if you can't hack it, "take a stroll down Washout Lane!" Which we see later in the movie when the black lady that shot Breckinridge actually leaves. What kind of fascist army lets you leave?
Then there's the propaganda itself, but the propaganda shows the humans getting their asses kicked by the bugs in the first invasion. Publicly, which got the white Sky Marshall fired so they could replace him with a black, female Sky Marshall and a radical change in their strategy. Instead of going Iwo Jima from the word go, they do air-strikes first before sending in infantry to close up bug holes. It's just that the Bugs themselves are much better at being Zulu warriors than the Zulu warriors. Basically, every battle scene in Starship Troopers has you rooting for the humans while the Bugs are absolutely terrifying. Which makes for a great action movie, but sympathy for the Bugs, the movie does not make you feel. Even for the Brain bug, who sucked out people's brains ten minutes before the scene in question.
And finally, the asteroid strike. Listening to people say it's a false flag is like listening to 9/11 Truthers say it's a false flag. We know the Bugs are very smart and can travel to other planets in this throw-away line about how they can hurl their spore and plasma into space. The asteroid got past the Rodger Young because they nearly collided with it and it damaged their communications array, so they couldn't warn Earth about it. Thus, it landed on Earth and it doesn't matter where as massive tsunami would have been worse than destroying Beunos Aires. The humans are lucky it didn't cause a mass extinction event.
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It's a democracy but without the franchise being universal, much as the United States was at its inception.
It's mainly called fascist by people who mindlessly knee-jerk at anything good being said about the military. It's like calling Star Trek Communist because there's relative social equality and it's more or less post-scarcity, although money and capitalism does still seem to exist.
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Universal suffrage in general never existed in the ancient world. The Athenians and the Roman Republic similarly restricted the franchise to those of military age and record of service. Now we have it, but refuse to prevent the loopholes that created the election fraud.
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Has the process of democracy ever been depicted in Star Trek, ever? Never seen an episode about the Federation election, for example.
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DS9 I believe with the election for Kai.
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It's a military ship. Even democracies don't have elections in their militaries.
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ditto
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IIRC the Kai is elected by the Vedek assembly. But Shakar was elected First Minister but only after Winn dropped out, so that counts.
Most Starfleet members are Federation citizens. It's weird they never talk about running for Federation congress or however it works.
That one DS9 episode where Red Squad takes over earth, the Federation president seems completely out of his element and little more than a puppet. Where is his cabinet, or even advisors?
Don't get me started on Federation-Cardassian Treaty..
BSG to it's credit did try and depict a democratic civilian government. But I guess the Federation is so perfect (and Starfleet keeps the space trains running on time) that elections matter very little.
Here is Rick "casting the hot chick is always a bitch" Berman shitting deservedly on Geneviève Bujold:
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They really didn't delve much into the actual politics of the Federation in the shows or movies much besides the implication that people were relatively free to do what they felt happiest doing (like Sisko's dad running a Cajun and Creole restaurant) and that Federation citizens largely didn't need money to get their needs met so long as they were productive members of society. What Sisko's dad does is something that really isn't "needed" as you can easily get food from any replicator. But I always figured a large part of the appeal of Sisko's restaurant would be real unreplicated ingredients.
So I always assumed that his dad's restaurant was seen as something of a public service as well as a preservation of Earth's culture and so the Federation is happy to foot the bill to keep the restaurant running and it's proprietor housed and taken care of.
Really, I liked that Star Trek didn't much tell you what to think very often and even presented varied opinions on the subjects they covered. Fleshing out a political system in a show like Star Trek might be seen too much as an endorsement of a certain type of political system and that is not what Roddenberry wanted. He didn't want to cram shit down your throat, but rather invited you to look at things from a different perspective and presented you with ideas to explore. Sure he wanted to nudge you in a certain direction, but it was largely a vague sort of "better" direction where humans are more accepting of each other and of different ways of thinking.
You didn't see Federation officers cancelling Quark for being a bit of a misogynist because most people were adult enough to encounter shit like that without melting the fuck down.
So I always assumed that his dad's restaurant was seen as something of a public service as well as a preservation of Earth's culture and so the Federation is happy to foot the bill to keep the restaurant running and it's proprietor housed and taken care of.
Really, I liked that Star Trek didn't much tell you what to think very often and even presented varied opinions on the subjects they covered. Fleshing out a political system in a show like Star Trek might be seen too much as an endorsement of a certain type of political system and that is not what Roddenberry wanted. He didn't want to cram shit down your throat, but rather invited you to look at things from a different perspective and presented you with ideas to explore. Sure he wanted to nudge you in a certain direction, but it was largely a vague sort of "better" direction where humans are more accepting of each other and of different ways of thinking.
You didn't see Federation officers cancelling Quark for being a bit of a misogynist because most people were adult enough to encounter shit like that without melting the fuck down.
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The only other reference to the democracy of the Federation that comes to my mind is in the DS9 episode where the changelings stage a terrorist attack. In the episode, Droopy Dog face is apparently the elected president of the whole shebang. At one point it's said something to the effect that Jaresh-Inyo holds responsibility for Earth despite not being from it. He sounds like the mayor of Portland.
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Except for all the episodes where they beat you over a head with a crudgel that HUNTING IS BAD, YOU FILTHY MURDERER!
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Well....
This scene was produced under Gene's watch.
And let's not forget that it was the ferengi introduced under his supervision as an outright political cartoon?