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...and the latest episode of STD was a Die Hard rip-off starring Mary Sue Burnham as John McClane.
Speaking of BSG 2003, Kurtzman also ripped-off the prologue of the miniseries, with a Federation pajeet waiting for 40+ years alone in his Starbase hoping that one day someone from Starfleet would appear. The funny thing about this character is that the STD writers kind of forgot about him once the episode ended.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
A character assassination aimed at one of TVs most iconic characters, entirely motivated by an almost primal hatred for anything beloved by old fans.
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It's why I found the Plinkett review on Picard so lackluster. The utter depth of how awful that show is comparable to the Marianna Trench. Bad storytelling, bad acting from a Knight of the Realm, bad visual effects, bad continuity, horrific flanderization of every character, and a fundamental failure of the brand itself.

In many ways, it's worse than ST: D. ST: D is just dumb and bad, but you can ignore it if you want. The end of season 2 where the events of that season ends up as classified begs you to ignore it. ST: P has enough connective tissue to TNG to make it outright offensive.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It's why I found the Plinkett review on Picard so lackluster. The utter depth of how awful that show is comparable to the Marianna Trench. Bad storytelling, bad acting from a Knight of the Realm, bad visual effects, bad continuity, horrific flanderization of every character, and a fundamental failure of the brand itself.

In many ways, it's worse than ST: D. ST: D is just dumb and bad, but you can ignore it if you want. The end of season 2 where the events of that season ends up as classified begs you to ignore it. ST: P has enough connective tissue to TNG to make it outright offensive.
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Yeah. I guess the Plinket thing was more of a workaround, cause Rich obviously refused to endure more of this crap, even just for one more review, so it did get the job done of wrapping up that tidbit, but it didn't feel like it dived into the stuff deep enough at all...

And when it comes to STD and STP, STD is terrible, but it's easily ignored. Spock aside, none of these characters matter the slightest in ST and have (up until now*) no connection to any other character whatsoever, so who cares what kind of retarded shit they get themselves into, what kind of retarded shit they spew, what kind of retarded shit they do? They aren't relevant to anything at all. And even though Spock shows up, he's just some random dude doing a shitty cosplay of Spock, so again: Who gives a shit? He's not the "real" Spock, he's Spock-in-name-only. And it is set way before and way after "the real Trek" happened.
Now, STP is a whole different beast. Kurtzman can't force you to treat this garbage as canon, but it has all the original cast members, it supposedly happens at some point after TNG, DS9 and Voyager... so there's that, it hits much closer to home and if that wasn't bad enough, this is the precedent of new canon. Kurztman or whoever will run the show in the future will base their new stories on this canon. It's the SW Sequels all over again: No matter how much you want to ignore them, they are here to stay (unless someone de-canonizes them and that won't happen). So yeah. I might not treat STP as canon, but every show in the future will. So this one shitty show, with this one shitty season, is the dagger in the heart of my beloved franchise.

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*up till now, STD has not yet really fucked that much with established canon... I am still expecting Burnham to travel back in time and become Kirks mother or something equally stupid, just as a petty "fuck you" to Shattner and old fans that are seen as bigotted nazis, who are somehow receiving payback by making their beloved characters genderspecial or otherwise shamed.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It's why I found the Plinkett review on Picard so lackluster.
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I got downboated to hell in that RLM thread just for that opinion :story:
That Plinkett Review was as bad as the TFA one. Even if Rich didn't want to participate anymore, Mike should have finished the Re-View Picard series instead of hiding behind that character because there was a lot to say about the last 3 episodes.

RomanesEuntDomus said:
I am still expecting Burnham to travel back in time and become Kirks mother or something equally stupid, just as a petty "fuck you" to Shattner and old fans that are seen as bigotted nazis, who are somehow receiving payback by making their beloved characters genderspecial or otherwise shamed.
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No, that's for the Pike spin-off. They will probably use that show to emasculate Kirk since he's the only iconic Trek character that they haven't ruined yet.
'Member what they did for the made up Star Trek Day?
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Miller said:
I got downboated to hell in that RLM thread just for that opinion :story:
That Plinkett Review was as bad as the TFA one. Even if Rich didn't want to participate anymore, Mike should have finished the Re-View Picard series instead of hiding behind that character because there was a lot to say about the last 3 episodes.


No, that's for the Pike spin-off. They will probably use that show to emasculate Kirk since he's the only iconic Trek character that they haven't ruined yet.
'Member what they did for the made up Star Trek Day?
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Shatner was smart. He was like, "Drop a bridge on me and kill me" so he wouldn't be subjected to this crap.
 
Never Scored said:
Shatner was smart. He was like, "Drop a bridge on me and kill me" so he wouldn't be subjected to this crap.
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wasn't he more actively killed by soran in early versions but then when the script leaked they changed it?
 
Stab You in the Back said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=exmT5KkZr0E
But why?
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I purposely avoided the remakes and didn't watch anything after Nemisis. I heard the new shit was bad, but I pictured maybe something on the level of Nemisis. What in the fuck is this shit?

The Federation is not socialist. You know how say, 150 years ago only a rich person owned a mirror, but now you can get a mirror at the dollar store for the equilivent of ten minutes work at a minimum wage job because we are so efficient at making mirrors? The world of Star Trek is a logical continuation of that.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=exmT5KkZr0E
But why?
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Oh god, it's so horrible.

Flexo said:
Enterprise already did it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vO3Z2yeElvk
You all are such hacks! (The writers, not you, @Stab You in the Back)
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, the problem isn't about them using "waste" to make food, it's about how they talk about it. STD has this weird, childish obsession with cursing like a sailor, to be super grown up, but it just looks juvenile and stupid. Trip didn't go "YEAH SO THIS BAD SUCKER HERE TURNS OUR FUCKEN PISS INTO ROMULAN ALE, MAN! ONCE THE BUZZ IS DONE; YOU CAN PISS THAT SHIT RIGHT BACK INTO THE REPLICATOR AND KEEP ON DRINKIN' AIN'T THAT FUCKEN COOL?!", which is absolutely something I'd expect with STD now.


Standardized Profile said:
This post makes Captain Pike beep his sad light. STD also appropriated Number One, Sarek, and Harry Mudd. They all matter, but even so STD's depredations can be safely ignored.
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Allow me to rephrase, any named character like Pike, Spock or Mudd from TOS that pops up in this perversion of the franchise is just some random fucknut borrowing the names of these great characters. They aren't really them. These guys have about as much of a chance to tarnish the likes of Spock and Mudd as some random drunk dude in a Spock or Mudd cosplay pissing themselves at a fratboy costume party.
In STP, you even have the original actors taking their roles, which makes it way harder to ignore - especially since Patrick Stewart apparently is in full support of this crap, which makes his former work on TNG look phony in retrospect.
 
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You know its pretty dam funny. In the beginning of the year I figured star trek was in slightly better shape then star wars and now look where we are.
 
Popculture as a whole can best be described as every fandom being a man falling from a plane without a parachute. We see the others slam into the ground beneath us and dying gruesome deaths while hoping we will somehow get away unscathed by a miracle ourselves.

It's outright bizarre that we've seen countless franchises in TV, cinemas, comics, games and so on got ruined by the same shit being shoved into it, and yet it keeps on happening to the faint sound of some soy-voice twerping something about "It'll work this time!".
 
Just every fucking scene is someone crying and talking about their feelings and it's supposed to be a continuation of a franchise that was a series of sci-fi morality plays where characters represented different philosophies, ideas and military tactics. My wife thinks they're trying to appeal to women more.

I watched the fourth episode last night where Picard goes to meet the Romulan Jedi, and gets one to take with him on his quest to rescue Buffy the Romulan Slayer from the Romulan Death Star, and then they all took off in the Millennium Falcon together.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Allow me to rephrase, any named character like Pike, Spock or Mudd from TOS that pops up in this perversion of the franchise is just some random fucknut borrowing the names of these great characters. They aren't really them. These guys have about as much of a chance to tarnish the likes of Spock and Mudd as some random drunk dude in a Spock or Mudd cosplay pissing themselves at a fratboy costume party.
In STP, you even have the original actors taking their roles, which makes it way harder to ignore - especially since Patrick Stewart apparently is in full support of this crap, which makes his former work on TNG look phony in retrospect.
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None of the STD retreads really even do anything that terrible to those characters either. STP absolutely wrecks Picard and as you mention is all the more disturbing since Patrick Stewart himself is on board. At least Anson Mount and Rainn Wilson seem to actually like their characters.

STD is stupid, STP is pure misery.
 
Never Scored said:
I watched the fourth episode last night where Picard goes to meet the Romulan Jedi, and gets one to take with him on his quest to rescue Buffy the Romulan Slayer from the Romulan Death Star, and then they all took off in the Millennium Falcon together.
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This is literally the best summary anyone could write for that episode.
 
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