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Did it end in a way that suggests they're planning a season 4 or is this shitshow finally over?
 
So I've finally started watching Voyager.

I love the premise and the set up and the story ideas feel like classic Star Trek.

The biggest issue so far...all of the characters are either bland or they feel like some repeat of characters we've seen before.

Tuvok is Spock but with Worf's job.
Torres is Worf but as a lady and with Geordi's job
Janeway is Picard, but as a lady
Neelix is Quark, but nicer.
The Hologram Doctor is Data with Bones' personality and job

Right now, the show feels like its made up of left over scripts from Next Gen and DS9 that never got made and they just switched out the characters. The ideas are cool, but I'm not feeling it with the characters. Hopefully that changes as I continue to watch.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
So I've finally started watching Voyager.

I love the premise and the set up and the story ideas feel like classic Star Trek.

The biggest issue so far...all of the characters are either bland or they feel like some repeat of characters we've seen before.

Tuvok is Spock but with Worf's job.
Torres is Worf but as a lady and with Geordi's job
Janeway is Picard, but as a lady
Neelix is Quark, but nicer.
The Hologram Doctor is Data with Bones' personality

Right now, the show feels like its made up of left over scripts from Next Gen that never got made. The ideas are cool, but I'm not feeling it with the characters. Hopefully that changes as I continue to watch.
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It's funny, I just torrented it and am about to do the same thing once I work through The Orville.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
So I've finally started watching Voyager.

I love the premise and the set up and the story ideas feel like classic Star Trek.

The biggest issue so far...all of the characters are either bland or they feel like some repeat of characters we've seen before.

Tuvok is Spock but with Worf's job.
Torres is Worf but as a lady and with Geordi's job
Janeway is Picard, but as a lady
Neelix is Quark, but nicer.
The Hologram Doctor is Data with Bones' personality and job

Right now, the show feels like its made up of left over scripts from Next Gen and DS9 that never got made and they just switched out the characters. The ideas are cool, but I'm not feeling it with the characters. Hopefully that changes as I continue to watch.
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Never Scored said:
It's funny, I just torrented it and am about to do the same thing once I work through The Orville.
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Same reply to both of you really. I started watching Voyager with the last episode of Season 3 - "Scorpion". The characters were interesting, the dialogue good and the storyline engaging. I never really felt the loss of starting there and still quite honestly don't know what the Marquis is or how one joined or why.

Regards the specific character criticisms as well, I can well believe they started off like that but:

Janeway is not Picard. She is a great deal more ruthless. And whilst Picard wouldn't suffer insubordination he had a much stronger personal code. Watch any episode where Janeway doesn't get the compliance she wants. First she'll give some motivational, persuasive speech and every appearance of listening and compromise. And then if it doesn't work, she goes straight to using her authority. Frankly, she would have made an incredible villain in "Picard".

The Doctor has a much more nuanced storyline and character development than Bones. There's a growing tragedy about him as he becomes more of a person, even falling in love, but remains helpless to do anything about it.

Tuvok... okay, he's kind of Worf but they do explore some interesting ideas with his Vulcan personality. Including a great episode where he mind-melds with a serial killer to get information.

Neelix... actually becomes sympathetic with time. He's an annoying bastard - always will be. But the episode where he "dies" was genuinely really sad. And no, it's not a fake-out but I can't explain without spoilers.

Torres... yeah, she's not that deep but she at least feels real. Her relationship with Seven (no, not that sort!) adds a lot to making her feel real, at least.
 
Overly Serious said:
The Doctor has a much more nuanced storyline and character development than Bones. There's a growing tragedy about him as he becomes more of a person, even falling in love, but remains helpless to do anything about it.
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I think one of the best ways to put into perspective just how well written the Doctor was and how amazingly Robert Picardo portrayed him:

There is an episode where he explores the dynamics of having a family to be able to understand people and their everyday problems. Of course he programms it in a way that his spouse is the perfect housewife, his son is an aspiring highschool genius and his daughter is a cut, well-behaved little girl... basically, a super stereotypical 50s TV soap opera family without any conflict whatsoever.
Torres gets pissed about him doing the family-thing on easy-mode and changes the program around, challenging the Doctor to go through with it with an estranged wife, rowdy son and whiney daughter.
The basic idea of this subplot is pretty neat, but you really get emotionally pulled into it.

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I mean, it's just a fictional family for an artificial person to explore family dynamics within a TV programm, but when the Doctor has to say farewell to his daughter and she dies, it's really hard not to get a little bit misty eyed. That's how well executed it was. That's how invested it got us into those character dynamics. It is very sappy, but ffs it works.

I might be mistaken, but I don't think there is a single subplot featuring the Doctor that isn't really enjoyable. Some are goofy, some are serious, but they all offer something to be entertaining. His "daydream subroutine" epsiode has to be one of the funniest bits in ST history.
 
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I wonder what will be his reaction when he sees "Unification, part 3" of STD.
That said, I wish Chuck would actually give his opinion on the episodes instead of just retelling what happened in each scene.
 
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Preferred Penne said:
Is there a reason why so many Star Trek aliens have apostrophes in their names?
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Exclamation points would be more fun. Ftn!naw!g!!l!er!o? Pronounce it correctly or else its an insult and I must colonize your digestive tract with my eggs.

Overly Serious said:
Tuvok... okay, he's kind of Worf but they do explore some interesting ideas with his Vulcan personality. Including a great episode where he mind-melds with a serial killer to get information.

Neelix... actually becomes sympathetic with time. He's an annoying bastard - always will be. But the episode where he "dies" was genuinely really sad. And no, it's not a fake-out but I can't explain without spoilers.
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Tuvix was the highlight of that series.
 
So I was on one site summing up the S3 finale and I honestly wondered if I was tripping on LSD a moment reading it.

They LITERALLY have a guy on a planet who they have to convince not to cry to keep him from destroying all dilythium?

Trek has literally become the "feelings matter over facts" now. I wish I could send every meatbag who works on and believes this shit into space. Let's see how far their feelings get them in the unforgiving vacuum.
 
Flexo said:
So I was on one site summing up the S3 finale and I honestly wondered if I was tripping on LSD a moment reading it.

They LITERALLY have a guy on a planet who they have to convince not to cry to keep him from destroying all dilythium?

Trek has literally become the "feelings matter over facts" now. I wish I could send every meatbag who works on and believes this shit into space. Let's see how far their feelings get them in the unforgiving vacuum.
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Yes. Luckily they took him to his home planet where he can't cause any further damage.

We also have the non-binary pronoun girl and her imaginary trans boyfriend.
 
Flexo said:
So I was on one site summing up the S3 finale and I honestly wondered if I was tripping on LSD a moment reading it.

They LITERALLY have a guy on a planet who they have to convince not to cry to keep him from destroying all dilythium?

Trek has literally become the "feelings matter over facts" now. I wish I could send every meatbag who works on and believes this shit into space. Let's see how far their feelings get them in the unforgiving vacuum.
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So wait, the big goal of that season was giving some whiny tard a pacifier and his favorite cuddle-blanket, so he'd stop destroying dilithium crystals with his crying?
:story:
 
davids877 said:
We also have the non-binary pronoun girl and her imaginary trans boyfriend.
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That shit made no sense. How could the holodeck detect his presence and made him visible to the others? I thought that Adira had some kind of PTSD and being mentally unstable she was seeing her tranny trill bf. The fact that none of the doctors (including her new gay latino dad) didn't bother to investigate was really disturbing, just like with Detmer's PTSD ealier this season. The crew and its captain let an unstable person pilot the Discovery, they all knew about her issues and no one told her to seek professional help.
I guess Kurtzman and his showrunner wanted Adira to have her own "Head Six".

RomanesEuntDomus said:
So wait, the big goal of that season was giving some whiny tard a pacifier and his favorite cuddle-blanket, so he'd stop destroying dilithium crystals with his crying?
:story:
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Incel Kelpian manbaby threw a tantrum that changed the balance of the galaxy for ever.
 
Miller said:
The crew and its captain let an unstable person pilot the Discovery, they all knew about her issues and no one told her to seek professional help.
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Isn't this whole "de-stigmatize mental health issues" something crazy retards on social media always try to peddle? Stuff like calling their schizo personality disorder "headmates" and trying to play off their struggle against reality as something heroic and admirable? Would fit into that pattern to have a mental fucknut just be left alone with her delusions...
And now I imagine her slamming the Discovery into a sun at Warp 5 cause her invisible friend told her it's the only way to make the walls stop bleeding.
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Incel Kelpian manbaby threw a tantrum that changed the balance of the galaxy for ever.
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Why wasn't "Phaser the fucker in his stupid Kelpian face" plan A?
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Why wasn't "Phaser the fucker in his stupid Kelpian face" plan A?
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Or why didn't Burnham use her famous Vulkang nerve pinch? After all, she used it on Stamets during the Cry Hard episode.

Isn't this whole "de-stigmatize mental health issues" something crazy retards on social media always try to peddle?
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Yep, it's like the celebration of the ugly.
 
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