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Why would Troi's empathy even work with alien species? They got it right when they said she can't read Ferengi brains. Should have expanded that to almost every other species.

"What do you sense, counselor?"

"I don't know. My forehead feels too small and it's like half my teeth are missing. I also have an urge to urinate all over the Enterprise. That could be a dominance display, captain. Or a mating instinct."
"Sentient species are all kinda the same" is a common trope in Star Trek though, not just with telepathy.

Across all the series there are situations where, for example, a Star Fleet doctor on an away mission uses the hypospray from their first aid kit on an injured member of some unfamiliar alien race without a second thought.

Not to mention that they can almost always breathe the same air as humans.
 
That was at least saved a bit by Spiner clearly taking the piss out of Piscopo, while still staying perfectly in character. It's been a very long time since I saw the Outrageous Okona and I won't be watching it again any time soon, but iirc, Piscopo was doing a shitty Jerry Lewis impression and Spiner (in a very data-like way) basically called him an idiot jumping around with fake teeth. (According to SFDebris, Piscopo wrote his own material for the episode, so Data is mocking Piscopo himself at least as much as he's mocking the shitty act.)
Don't forget that per behind the scenes, Piscopo wrote his own material because what was written in the episode was even worse.

It's a bit like modern horror movies, that need to come up with a reason why mobile phones don't work. It does make sense for movies set in bumfuck middle of nowhere, but it really strains the suspension of disbelief when it happens anywhere else.

Troi most often ended up a "No shit, sherlock" character. You'd have the Enterprise in a full out space battle, getting nuked repeatedly by photon torpedos, cut to Troi "I sense anger!". Yeah, thanks for the input, Troi.

Telepaths in a show like Star Trek would be invaluable for any bridge crew, whenever they make contact with someone else, so it makes sense to have them on board, but the writers need a way to dim them down that's believable, so they don't take the tension out of scenes.
Like, make it so Troi actually needs some time to adjust to an aliens mental frame of mind to even understand what those feelings mean. Like, she could tell there is a strong feeling, but wether that's hatred, rage, curiosity or happiness is up in the air until she learns to read those emotions after being exposed to them some time.
In the same manner: If it's good for a Starfleet ship to have an empathic person on board to help with interpreting a situation, everyone else would like someone similar to provide a mental shield against being read...
Or you know... establish a distance limit. At the distance ships should be in the show, Troi should have trouble sensing the other alien - otherwise she would be able to locate crew on a planet as fast as any sensor.

Or remember when the ship was damaged and she was on the bridge? Funny how she wasn't able to use her abilities to tell who was alive and up to what on the ship. (Hey couldn't Troi & Riker communicate mentally?)

Not to mention that they can almost always breathe the same air as humans.
Yeah, it makes you wonder how the federation would work if there was a species who's survival environment was literally incompatible with another. Like what do you do when segregation is enforced by biology? Or two species aren't even close enough with their senses to be able to communicate?

Part of why everybody loves "Darmock" is that it is how every first contact SHOULD be in theory - where words might be translated by contexts are missing. And asks us to consider, would any of us risk our own lives for the chance at peace with a stranger?

That's Enterprise's biggest missed opportunity. How much they could examine just how daunting a task it would be to get such divergent species to work together. Maybe like T'Pol, every season you bring on a new alien to get to know and learn what to do. (Heck have Jolene keep leaving and returning in new makeup just to make it a running gag.)
 
It would have been easier if they has made the telepathic abilities less powerful.
For example, make it so they only work on someone who is physically nearby.

If a Betazoid can really detect the inner state of mind of someone who is on a shielded starship many miles away, simply by seeing them on the viewscreen, then that raises the question why Star Fleet doesn't try to hire a Betazoid for every single bridge crew, or why Romulans/Cardassians/etc. haven't conquered and enslaved them for the same purpose. Or why people still agree to negotiate via viewscreen. Or why they don't invent tin foil hats to protect their minds from being probed.
I guess TNG was trying to establish its own identity, but at the end of the day they could have just used a female half Vulcan or something as the ship's councilor and had her mind meld to do the whole physic thing when needed and it would have solved all these problems.
 
I always had a different interpretation of why Troi was on the Enterprise. The Enterprise is essentially a luxury cruise ship that 'sells' the idea of the federation to other species. The Enterprise has the best crew, the best leisure facilities and is unusually large given its duties.
Think about it, you come from some shitheel planet in the middle of nowhere, you narrowly avoid the rape gangs and war and scrape together enough scrap to build a functioning warp drive and you set sail for the stars and within minutes of leaving you are greeted by a fuck huge ship that invites you aboard and has every luxury you could dream of. This inspires you to join starfleet, you spend year after year enduring class after class of Wesleys Crushers and you finally make ensign and on your first duty your ship gets assfucked by Borg or Klingons or Dominion or a seemingly innoculous space anomaly and the last thing you see before you die is an immortal entity mocking you for falling for the Federation meme. That is the true job of the Enterprise, to make the Federation look appealing when in reality if you do join you would probably end up on Deep Space 9 or serving under a batshit Admiral or Captain. That is why Deanna Troi in on the Enterprise, she is part of the sales pitch. Think about it, can you name one other ship therapist?
 
Maybe ship therapist is where the diversity hires in Starfleet go. Would certainly explain why Troi is less qualified than anyone else on the ship, and doesn't even seem qualified to be a therapist.

Edit: thinking about it more, Deanna is more like a typical rich kid that sails through ivy league and into a high paying gig thanks to mommy and daddy. Lwaxana is always claiming she's some important person and while it's played as a joke, she seems like she does have some influence and is very much the type to network with the right people to get her spawn into Starfleet and subsequently a prestigious position that doesn't involve much actual work.
 
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"Sentient species are all kinda the same" is a common trope in Star Trek though, not just with telepathy.
That trope, with respect to telepahty, was largely established by Troi, so if we're rewriting her we can ignore it. Difficulty with telepathy isn't that uncommon, especially with the stranger aliens who may not be descended from Solid Salome Gens. Talosians are telepaths par excellence but they are overloaded by simple survival emotions. Spock barely understood V'Ger, and had to have physical contact with a simulated Deltan before he could make any sense of its thoughts. (Touch-telepathy seems more effective than remote telepathy, probably something to do with their nervous systems syncing up.) Full-blooded Betazoids can't read Ferengi or Breen. Troi couldn't understand the symbolic thoughts transmitted by the aliens in Night Terrors. And she couldn't read Worf's intention to hit it and quit it. Maybe that's why she fell for him, his alien brain and honor culture were intriguing.
 
Think about it, can you name one other ship therapist?
Ezri Dax was supposed to be a therapist.

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Maybe in the Trek future "therapist" is the slang for "tiktok thot."
 
Much like Voyager, ENT seems to be in the "missed opportunity" ballpark.

I think one of the first major plotarcs is about a "temporal cold war" and that just never really appealed to me as a starting point for this show.
The term "temporal cold war" sound cool, the basic idea seems interesting, but it seems like the show is just way above its head when it throws something like that at the audience. It makes it feel like ENT is trying to outperform TNG and DS9 with the scale and scope of things when it should be more about the crew trying not to succumb to space radiation.

It makes for a kind of weird rollercoaster with the other shows.
ENT has some fuckhuge temporal cold war being waged by a dozen species across thousands of years, then TOS comes along and Kirk has to beat up a spacelizard, then DS9 happens and there's a fuckhuge conventional hot war waged by a dozen species waged across thousands of lightyears.

The alien Nazi episodes were fun, but the new aliens were forgettable - the Suleban and the Xindi just felt like generic bad guys of the week, not really interesting enough to be worth a Borg or Dominion type story arc.

The Andorians were great (mainly because of delightful motherfucker Jeffrey Combs) and maybe the writers could've done more with that.

The MACOs were cool, definitely made an interesting change from hapless redshirts. There's a strong post-911 vibe to the whole Xindi thing, which has aged as horribly as T-Mobile Sidekicks or Jon Stewart.

It's a shame they didn't have enough faith (of the heart) to stick with the premise of the show, and focus on smaller scale (but awesome) stories about exploration, finding weird and amazing things, and humanity having to rely on its wits in a galaxy where it's outclassed by dozens of more advanced civilizations. Something more like Horatio Hornblower in space.

It should have been about boldly going where no man has gone before, but the showrunners seemed to just want to write a cheaper version of Voyager. And those cheaper CGI effects have also aged badly, they alternate between static prerendered Myst backgrounds and PS2 quality low res animations. They were pushing their luck on 24 inch CRT TVs circa 2003, on modern screens the digital effects just look like interlaced shit.

I still love it tho.

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It's a shame they didn't have enough faith (of the heart) to stick with the premise of the show, and focus on smaller scale (but awesome) stories about exploration, finding weird and amazing things, and humanity having to rely on its wits in a galaxy where it's outclassed by dozens of more advanced civilizations. Something more like Horatio Hornblower in space.
Yeah, I think it would have been neat to throw standard situations at the ENT crew that we know from the other shows, where they usually very quickly get out of trouble by doing some technobabble, only in the case of ENT, they have no clue what is going on and they first have to figure out what the anomaly does and how, before they can show figure out how to counter it.

It feels like the writers didn't want to fully commit to the premise of the show. Pretty much like what happened with Voyager, when you think about it. Someone had a great idea for a setting but they failed to really take full advantage of it.
 
Holy crap that works so well. This is my new headcanon. I can see it working with the future society of the Federation where Starfleet is made up of that small portion of the pacified population that isn't content to just sit around an play pornography on their Holodeck and take legalized drugs, but want actual challenge and meaning. The Federation says: "Yes, we need you and we'll let you do these things - but you have to have 'therapists' with you to 'look after your mental well-being in these stressful situations." I can now totally see it where an officer who doesn't go to his mandatory wellness sessions is disciplined for it. Hell, I bet the low-cut, push up cleavage is even recommended outfit for therapists - "flirt a little, get them trying to make you like them and then guide them to tell you about their ambitions and how they feel about the Federation. Let us know if there are any ones that sound too ambitious or indepdendent"
It's been a while since I watched it, but if I remember correctly it was strongly implied in Babylon 5 that the telepaths were all controlled by some Psy Corp which essentially held that kind of power. Though as I recall the Psy Corp felt more like a parody of Scientology than anything.
 
There's a strong post-911 vibe to the whole Xindi thing, which has aged as horribly as T-Mobile Sidekicks or Jon Stewart.
I believe 9/11 is one of the main reasons why the tone of the show changed. You have to remember that Enterprise started airing only 2 weeks after 9/11. Then the Xindi attack is tacked onto the end of season 2 and then the whole Xindi arc is a fuck huge metaphor for the Iraq war and subsequent war on terror (Weapons of Mass destruction, "Not all Xindi are bad", Phlox being assaulted for being an alien etc) I enjoyed it, but it feels super jarring when binge watching as it literally comes out of nowhere, though in hindshight it was much better than the directionless temporal cold war that ate screen time.
 
It's been a while since I watched it, but if I remember correctly it was strongly implied in Babylon 5 that the telepaths were all controlled by some Psy Corp which essentially held that kind of power. Though as I recall the Psy Corp felt more like a parody of Scientology than anything.
I thought the Psy Corp was B5's version of the CIA.
 
the Suleban and the Xindi just felt like generic bad guys of the week
Having the same actors that played Koval and Weyoun from DS9 kept reminding me of much, much better DS9 stories I could be watching. Rule 1 for making a bad movie is never remind your audience of other, better movies.
I thought the Psy Corp was B5's version of the CIA.
IIRC it started out as a way to keep tabs on telepaths, and ended up as a literal thought police. After the shadows leave the galaxy and humanity alone it's implied they'll die out.
 
I guess TNG was trying to establish its own identity, but at the end of the day they could have just used a female half Vulcan or something as the ship's councilor and had her mind meld to do the whole physic thing when needed and it would have solved all these problems.
They should've just used Guinan and her magical negro powers as a conselor.
 
Having the same actors that played Koval and Weyoun from DS9 kept reminding me of much, much better DS9 stories I could be watching. Rule 1 for making a bad movie is never remind your audience of other, better movies.
What? Jeffrey Combs was fucking awesome as Shran. He stole every scene he was in. The series would have definitely been worse off without him.
 
Is it better for a counselor be insightful like Guinan or empathetic like Troi?

Despite her flaws, Troi is the superior bridge officer because Guinan had a tendency to give unhelpful responses to direct questions, like a black Dumbledore.
And besides, if Guinan had a seat on the bridge, her giant hat would block Worf's view on the main screen.
 
the problem with troi is that it would make sense for all kinds of things to have an empath ready, especially for counseling, but it's not something that is very interesting to depict in a tv series.
it would be like including all the mundane procedures and boring parts like night shifts etc. it's a tv drama after all. imagine a whole episode just troi talking with crew members about their feelings and issues. the only time we see parts of it is when it's relevant to the plot.

Yeah, I think it would have been neat to throw standard situations at the ENT crew that we know from the other shows, where they usually very quickly get out of trouble by doing some technobabble, only in the case of ENT, they have no clue what is going on and they first have to figure out what the anomaly does and how, before they can show figure out how to counter it.

there was that one episode where the translator broke down/didn't work and hoshi had to wing it. that was pretty neat, but doing that every episode would be kinda boring.
 
there was that one episode where the translator broke down/didn't work and hoshi had to wing it. that was pretty neat, but doing that every episode would be kinda boring.
Using the same thing over and over again would become rather boring, sure, but you could put a lot of variation on it and the translation of some message could be a thing happening whenever they meet a new species, but depending on the focus of the episode, it could be a key element ("Damnit Hoshi! We need that translation and we need it NOW!") or something in the background ("I will have the translation ready first thing tomorrow morning captain" *cuts to next/different scene and main plot continues*). A similar approach can be used for anomalies, too.
It would emphasize the aspect of meeting new species and making first contact/exploring an unknown space. Just like Voyager, ENT would have profitted from mini-arcs, where the Enterprise bumps into some species and we explore them, their culture, their traditions, their habits and their conflicts for a few episodes, essentially putting together a bunch of 2 or 3 episodes featuring an overarching plot and a bunch of single-episode plots in between.

To come up with interesting ideas for plots is the writer's job, that's why production companies pays them the big bucks peanuts.
 
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