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Travoltron said:
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communism is the anti-Trek, it’s “all are equal, some more equal than others”. unless you follow the rule of law in communism you are KILLED.

sorry, there is no revolutionary ideals there, just misery and falsehoods"
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I came of age just as the USSR fell. Now it looks like my lifelong dream of being the one pushing Commies out of helicopters has new life.
 
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Flexo said:
Well that's just like 90% of every guy's motivation.

He was still pretty hippie-ish. It's just a sign of how far things have sifted that nowadays he seems almost nixonian.
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Nixon would be a leftist by todays metrics. TBH, he was even back then. By comparison, JFK despite being a democrat was clearly more conservative.

If nothing else, that just shows how useless those terms are...
 
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Star Trek is a post-scarcity society, the only future communism has ever created and will ever create is a post-abundance society at best.

There's a joke in (West) Germany about the GDR:
What if the GDR had been created in the Sahara desert?
Initially, there would be no difference, but after a few years, they'd have a shortage of sand.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Star Trek is a post-scarcity society, the only future communism has ever created and will ever create is a post-abundance society at best.

There's a joke in (West) Germany about the GDR:
What if the GDR had been created in the Sahara desert?
Initially, there would be no difference, but after a few years, they'd have a shortage of sand.
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And as I posted much earlier in this thread, the so-called "post scarcity" society is built out of all the colonies the Federation randomly and shabbily set up all over the place. If it starts a border war with the Shelliak, Talarians, Tzenkethi, or the Cardassians, then the Feds will negotiate a bizarre treaty that inevitably fucks over the colonists in one form or another. It's really important for Feds to get replicated protein molecules and textured carbohydrates. Who cares if a colony has rape gangs in it?
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
And as I posted much earlier in this thread, the so-called "post scarcity" society is built out of all the colonies the Federation randomly and shabbily set up all over the place.
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Didn't ENT address this?The first Federation colonies were, well, colonies.

Most colonies were originally under Vulcan jurisdiction. The Vulcans were preoccupied with holding Earth and the Andorians back, almost turning them into client planets. Earth would have developed the Warp 5 engine faster without their 'help'.
 
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jennifermist said:
Didn't ENT address this in a haphazard way? The first Federation colonies were, well, colonies.

Most colonies were originally under Vulcan jurisdiction. The Vulcans were preoccupied with holding Earth and the Andorians back, almost turning them into client planets. Earth would have developed the Warp 5 engine faster without their 'help'.
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But the Federation as a legal body doesn't exist until the end of ENT. All the way in the 24th century, colonies had this weird relationship where they sort of benefited from Federation protection unless Fed diplomats made Skyes-Picot lines that made no sense to the colonists who actually lived there. In exchange, colonists would be able to participate in the Fed's trade network, which is why so many planets like the Bandii or the Angosians or whatever species of the week wanted to join.

We also know the replicator uses a noticeable amount of energy if a ship is cut off from Starbase support, which is why the Voyager crew had to tolerate Neelix's food. That, and some complex materials like fancy anti-Borg armor is just too difficult to make out of simple matter. Which means that scarcity does exist, but because the Federation is drawing from hundreds of member states and the colonies attached, the drain on resources is small enough that people THINK it's post scarcity.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
We also know the replicator uses a noticeable amount of energy if a ship is cut off from Starbase support, which is why the Voyager crew had to tolerate Neelix's food.
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TNG posits that "matter and energy" are interchangible, in the first episode with Moriarty.

VOY always played fast and loose when it came to that. Remember how in "Night" the holodeck kept running even when the ship's power was turned off. Stuff like that turns the Delta Quadrant into a floating fun palace.
 
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jennifermist said:
After Bush, it has skewed back to a monolithic "other" threatening annihilation. "Terra Prime" was supposed to be a refutation of the modern right, but you could tell the writers' hearts weren't in it.
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Apart from the weird baby cloning scam, and the unfortunate terrorist escapades, Terra Prime had a point.

The Vulcans in ENT were insufferable assholes, and the Xindi had just Pearl Harbored Florida. Why wouldn't you be jumpy at all the weird looking aliens showing up? How many more of them are out there? What if the Klingons arrive, and we're knee deep in targ shit and gagh?

I am returning Earth to its rightful owners. I am giving Earth back to humanity, back to Human beings. It is my life's work, it's what I was born to do, and there is no one – not an alien, not a Human – that will stop me from achieving it.
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-- RoboCop

This isn't crazy madman Hitler rhetoric, it's what any normal human being would believe in.

They were worried about aliens gaining influence over Earth, and that's exactly what happened with the formation of the Federation. Star Trek plays this as utopian, but there's no reason to think an interstellar government spanning thousands of lightyears and hundreds of planets would be a good thing.

One thing that's pretty consistent in Trek (idk about the new shit) is how bland and homogenized human culture has become, except for the handful of ethnic stereotype episodes set on African/Irish/Scottish planets. Maybe the Pax Federicana is to blame. There's lots of superficial diversity, but everyone is basically a late 20th century upper middle class American in beliefs and attitude. There's no religion, no conflict, little passion, just bloodless technocracy and vague platitudes about self-improvement.

From what little we see of it, Earth is a pastel toned prison of conformity. It has been tamed to the point that even the weather is completely predictable. People who aren't in Starfleet appear to live on some kind of hipster welfare. They might go through the motions of running a business (Sisko's Dad's restaurant, Picard's brother's vineyard), but in an era of replicators and post-scarcity economics, they're just pretending. There's no real risk, and no real reward. 24th century Earth is no longer a place where a Jack London adventure could happen, or where great deeds can be done in the face of terrible odds. Might as well cry and masturbate in a Holosuite. What's the point?

The Klingons dream of honor and glory, the Ferengi lust for profit, the Cardassians love their families and the State. But the humans are the least identifiably human species. They're just blandly going where no man has gone before.

I mean, say what you want about the tenets of the Terran Empire, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
 
It's too bad that warp drive IRL (at least Alcubierre style) may fry the inside of the "warp bubble" with Hawking radiation at highest possible temperature, at FTL.

Also it's said there could be no way to really control the bubble once started.

And energy buildup could be released in a destructive blast in front of the bubble if it can be deactivated - at least after an FTL journey - blasting the destination.

And then of course there's stuff like negative energy needed, and energy cost.

tl;dr: warp drive IRL may not work
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
One thing that's pretty consistent in Trek (idk about the new shit) is how bland and homogenized human culture has become, except for the handful of ethnic stereotype episodes set on African/Irish/Scottish planets. Maybe the Pax Federicana is to blame. There's lots of superficial diversity, but everyone is basically a late 20th century upper middle class American in beliefs and attitude. There's no religion, no conflict, little passion, just bloodless technocracy and vague platitudes about self-improvement.
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They said that in the first episode(s): they had no idea what flags were (something that was contradicted in future episodes). The idea of borders or nationalities were something they look with contempt.
 
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