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It's not the problem "somehow", it's exactly and very specifically the problem in this case.

Someone enjoys ST. A new ST show is made and it does not fit in with what said person enjoys about ST or considers befitting of ST. So they don't like it. And one of the aspects making the show not fit their expectations is the theme song, which they also dislike. It's a perfectly valid line of thinking and I don't know what kind of argument you are trying to make against disliking the theme song by saying "Well, the show apparently didn't fit into ST, so emphasizing that by a terrible, unfitting soundtrack should be ok, right?"

Speaking for myself I think ENT fits perfectly well with ST overall, I just think the execution was absolutely lackluster and bad. I do agree with the notion that the theme song doesn't fit ST at all and it's something that very clearly and easily stands out and is thus easy to point out.

it's stupid because that's complaining that X isn't like Y, but expecting the theme still be Y, which doesn't make much sense. you'd want the theme fit the new series, not the franchise, when the new series is not like the franchise to begin with. or to put it on it's head, nutrek isn't suddenly star trek just because it has an orchestral theme.
 
it's stupid because that's complaining that X isn't like Y, but expecting the theme still be Y, which doesn't make much sense. you'd want the theme fit the new series, not the franchise, when the new series is not like the franchise to begin with. or to put it on it's head, nutrek isn't suddenly star trek just because it has an orchestral theme.
The complaint, afaik, is more in line with "It's not Star Trek and you can see that with the title song, which is nothing like Star Trek either". They complain about both the show and it's theme not being like what they enjoy and expect, if anything, they underline that the theme song fits the show in that it doesn't fit the franchise.
How does this not make sense to you?
 
It's not just unlike Star Trek, it's bad on its own merits. Saccharine, twee, full of superficial sentiment, it is pure vocal kitsch.
Yeah, it's a really bland and vapid soft-rock song. Whenever I hear it, and how it repeats the word faith over and over, the thing that comes to my mind is this:

The Perfect Strangers opening is equally vapid, but at least it has got a catchy tune.
 
I dislike how little ENT resembled Star Trek because I felt like it didn't try hard enough to establish its own look. Enterprise was visually identical in many ways to the Stargate and Babylon 5 franchises in just the general way things were laid out, lit, the aesthetics they were going for, etc. It didn't just not look and feel like Star Trek, it looked and felt like one of Trek's competitors of the same era.

I'm fully aware that nobody on Paramount's production staff would have liked the idea of returning to look established for early Starfleet in The Cage or even to a TOS look. Even though ENT did actually prove that you could do TOS with modern day lighting and camerawork and still have it look really pretty. I understand the reasoning behind changing the aesthetics, but the aesthetics of Enterprise just felt wrong, honestly. They were cheap and uninspired to look at, the uniforms didn't feel distinct, everything was drab and poorly lit, and most of the sets don't really feel like rooms on a spaceship. It feels more like they shot most of the show in an old office building or something.

Yeah, I get that the NX-01 is smaller than the Constituition and therefore gonig to have less space on it, but like I said earlier the interior didn't feel like a ship of any kind, more like an office building. Another thing that also bothered me on the show is that the NX-01 can hold like 100 crewmen, but it feels like the main characters are the only people on the ship sometimes. There just some weird distorted sense of scale going on with the whole show that makes it feel cheap.

Having a show set pre-TOS actually leaves a fair amount of room to get imaginative with the look of the show since TOS itself had such a different look from the later series, Enterprise just didn't take advantage of it. I'm starting to wonder just how strapped for cash the show was because this isn't the only circumstance I can recall where they cheaped out on stuff; the network didn't appear to be very kind to them.
 
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I dislike how little ENT resembled Star Trek because I felt like it didn't try hard enough to establish its own look. Enterprise was visually identical in many ways to the Stargate and Babylon 5 franchises in just the general way things were laid out, lit, the aesthetics they were going for, etc. It didn't just not look and feel like Star Trek, it looked and felt like one of Trek's competitors of the same era.

I'm fully aware that nobody on Paramount's production staff would have liked the idea of returning to look established for early Starfleet in The Cage or even to a TOS look. Even though ENT did actually prove that you could do TOS with modern day lighting and camerawork and still have it look really pretty. I understand the reasoning behind changing the aesthetics, but the aesthetics of Enterprise just felt wrong, honestly. They were cheap and uninspired to look at, the uniforms didn't feel distinct, everything was drab and poorly lit, and most of the sets don't really feel like rooms on a spaceship. It feels more like they shot most of the show in an old office building or something.

Yeah, I get that the NX-01 is smaller than the Constituition and therefore gonig to have less space on it, but like I said earlier the interior didn't feel like a ship of any kind, more like an office building. Another thing that also bothered me on the show is that the NX-01 can hold like 100 crewmen, but it feels like the main characters are the only people on the ship sometimes. There just some weird distorted sense of scale going on with the whole show that makes it feel cheap.

Having a show set pre-TOS actually leaves a fair amount of room to get imaginative with the look of the show since TOS itself had such a different look from the later series, Enterprise just didn't take advantage of it. I'm starting to wonder just how strapped for cash the show was because this isn't the only circumstance I can recall where they cheaped out on stuff; the network didn't appeal to be very kind to them.

Also didn't help that the dull grey of the hull was visually indistinguishable from its contemporaries like BSG and Babylon 5. Literally the shame exact shade of grey-brown.

Also cant believe the Kelvin timeline is too lazy to just make a fucking Akula class. The Kelvin is basically the same thing minus the nacelle struts extruding away from the hull, the dildo nacelles, and some torpedo launchers.

We moved forward from the TOS PVC pipe design for many reasons.
 
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I just want to remind everybody that Paramount was too embarrassed to have the words "Star Trek" in the title and the show was just called "Enterprise" originally. They only added Star Trek n the title when the ratings were slipping.

There was just this obnoxious feeling surrounding the show about attempting to gain a new "normie" audience with Enterprise. I remember Howard Stern shilling the show a lot, talking about how sexy the show is. He had Blalock on there and asked her a bunch of TMI questions.
 
Idris Elba

Dont' give them ideas. Saying Picard died and they had to put his brain in some other person's body is something they would do to explain the recast of Picard as a black man.

And I personally would not mind this black man is Idsis Elba: he's smart, fun, hot, and French British. I wouldn't even mind if this man is freaking Will Smith who also can act despite he's not French British.

But we all know they would recast this fucker:

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And I personally would not mind this black man Idris Elba
I literally had no idea what he was he was saying in the theater. I had to turn captions on when I rewatched it. Elba deserved better
So in the Kelvin Timeline does Picard look like Tom Hardy or James McAvoy?
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Tom Hardy, a filmography:

Bronson: INSANE YELLING
Dark Knight Rises: muffled speeches
Lawless: incomprehensible redneck accent
Mad Max: grunts
Legend: A SHOOTOUT, RIGHT, THIS IS A FUCKIN' SHOOTOUT!!
Capone: Eegh.
 
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What sucks to me about post-JJ Star Trek is that there's a whole universe and future out there, yet the producers want to hover around the TOS era and Picard, while catering to the cult of "woke".

Whatever happened to that whole "the human adventure is just beginning" thing?
 
As much as I appreciate the enthusiasm and actual Trek-ness of the Orville, I hate the design of that Protoss carrier mockup. Its just not as cool as trek ships and is basically an andromeda ascendant-lite. Makes sense he probably used this as inspiration or whoever designed the actual Orville ships did. since Seth is a Trek fan as well and he'd probably know what the hell this ugly design is supposed to be in official trek canon as a federation ship and no one really liked this design there either so it faded into obscurity.

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What sucks to me about post-JJ Star Trek is that there's a whole universe and future out there, yet the producers want to hover around the TOS era and Picard, while catering to the cult of "woke". Whatever happened to that whole "the human adventure is just beginning" thing?
Perhaps those who aren't born into wealth are too busy keeping theirs heads above water. Which leaves the lucky few to shout loudly on Twitter about minority causes, incorrectly reflecting the priorities of a generation.
 
Dont' give them ideas. Saying Picard died and they had to put his brain in some other person's body is something they would do to explain the recast of Picard as a black man.

And I personally would not mind this black man is Idsis Elba: he's smart, fun, hot, and French British. I wouldn't even mind if this man is freaking Will Smith who also can act despite he's not French British.

But we all know they would recast this fucker:

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Fuck. You raise a terrible yet important point.

Picard is now a robot. Once Patrick Stewart becomes unavailable for the role of Picard, they could just plop in someone else and claim that they are a robot controlled by Picard's brain.

Sounds stupid and unlikely, right? Wrong. Think again, it turns Picard into Dr. Who and all these fauxnerd shitstains know is Harry Potter and Dr. Who.
 
As much as I appreciate the enthusiasm and actual Trek-ness of the Orville, I hate the design of that Protoss carrier mockup. Its just not as cool as trek ships and is basically an andromeda ascendant-lite. Makes sense he probably used this as inspiration or whoever designed the actual Orville ships did. since Seth is a Trek fan as well and he'd probably know what the hell this ugly design is supposed to be in official trek canon as a federation ship and no one really liked this design there either so it faded into obscurity.

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The design of the Orville went through several versions but all were based on the shape of the Alcubierre drive.
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Picard is now a robot. Once Patrick Stewart becomes unavailable for the role of Picard, they could just plop in someone else and claim that they are a robot controlled by Picard's brain.
To be honest they should have done that at the end of the first season. They know Stewart is old, can't do shit and is slow as hell despite being younger than Based Bill Shatner.
CylonPicard should have looked like someone else and maybe have Stewart do the voice over in post. Sure, it would be horrible but the whole Star Trek Picard experience has been a nightmare.
 
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