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The writing on Discovery and everything else these days has really made me appreciate the shatnerverse books more and more.


Im considering doing a retrospective on them. As all over the place as they are, I do get the sense that the writers actually know and give a semblance of a shit about the lore of star trek.


Plus Shatner's interview on them with conan is hilarious.


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So 7 of 9 who was in a relationship with Chakotay for years and that fucking junkie who was married to a man are both just gay now? What is there a space anomaly that just makes people gay? Or just shitty writing.
 
Thomas Highway said:
Being mad about wokeness in Star Trek is just.... like... do you even know who Gene Roddenberry is?
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If your argument is that 'Star Trek is progressive' and 'woke is progressive, they're like the same thing' your mistake is in the latter part.

Woke is progressive the same way a priest screaming about homosexuality while also raping altar boys is catholic.

If you liked the progressivism in old school Star Trek you should reject woke progressivism which betrays it and is diametrically opposed to it.
 
Derpman123 said:
So 7 of 9 who was in a relationship with Chakotay for years and that fucking junkie who was married to a man are both just gay now? What is there a space anomaly that just makes people gay? Or just shitty writing.
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They fell in love the day they met and it all happened off-screen. They never interacted until that montage at the end, right?
Yeah it's shit writing, having a gay couple is part of the checklist.
 
Travoltron said:
Oh wow. I don't even remember this character. But I remember a Trek convention I went to as a kid and some guy described some of the new characters and stories that would be upcoming.

He mentioned Guinan's son would be a character on DS9. And then it never happened. He also said Scotty would visit DS9, and that never happened either.
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Scotty on DS9 would have been awesome. The interactions between him and O'Brien alone would have been gold.
 
Janeway blue-balling Tuvok by shutting off the holodeck during his Pon Farr might be one of the best things that's happened in Voyager.
 
horni said:
Would Voyager be better if the writers listened to Robert Beltran more?
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No. To hell with Beltran.
We'd had a few successful Star Trek convention in my small city. Well, one year we had one where Beltran from the brand new show Voyager was to be the guest. But Beltran never showed, It was a disaster. Everybody naturally demanded refunds and they never held another Trek convention in my town again.

We were never given any explanation. I'd still love to know what happened.
 
Travoltron said:
No. To hell with Beltran.
We'd had a few successful Star Trek convention in my small city. Well, one year we had one where Beltran from the brand new show Voyager was to be the guest. But Beltran never showed, It was a disaster. Everybody naturally demanded refunds and they never held another Trek convention in my town again.

We were never given any explanation. I'd still love to know what happened.
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You should go ask your mom.
 
Travoltron said:
We were never given any explanation. I'd still love to know what happened.
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Beltran only signed on because he wanted to work with Bujold. When she quit, he was not a happy camper.

He talks about how he read for various Trek productions and did not give a solitary fuck. At one point during an audition, he asked Leonard Nimoy what a "Klingon" was, and he didn't get the part.:story:
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JamesFargo said:
(I like Robert, but it's clear he was ill-suited for Star Trek.)
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I've never seen him in anything else... except I have a vague recollection of seeing him in a Chuck Norris movie.

I thought he was as wooden as a cigar shop Indian in Voyager. Some say he gave a wooden performance on purpose as a protest to the shittiness of the scripts, but that just comes off as unprofessional to me.

But it does suck for him that his character was created by a white con artist in redface that fooled the Voyager producers.
 
JamesFargo said:
Beltran only signed on because he wanted to work with Bujold. When she quit, he was not a happy camper.

At conventions, he talks about how he auditioned for various Trek shows and did not give a fuck. At one point he asked Leonard Nimoy (during an audition) what a "Klingon" was, so he didn't get the part, lol. (I like Robert, but it's clear he was ill-suited for Star Trek.)
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Klingons are basically space Mongols. They have a concept of honor and culture and were warriors because they had to fight off an alien invasion from "The Hur'q" (Outsiders), for their first contact and have been paranoid and untrusting ever since. Not that they were ever a peaceful people to begin with.

They were Never the Space niggers and space sand niggers like CBS is stressing.
 
ProfDongs said:
Janeway blue-balling Tuvok by shutting off the holodeck during his Pon Farr might be one of the best things that's happened in Voyager.
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Neelix & Tuvok make a lot more sense once you realize they're basically Proctor and Harris from Police Academy.
 
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