Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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RomanesEuntDomus said:
Now I wonder what a soviet style Sci-Fi movie would look like. They have a knack of cool designs, but I feel the necessity to toe a political line would be so strong, you'd not get much entertainment out of the writing, cause it is equally hamfisted with its political messages as... well... ST today.
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I imagine it would be a lot like Turkish Star Trek.
 
I have heard of Earth: Finale Conflict. But have not seen it.

But I have never heard of Space: Above and Beyond. It must be good if no one on here is saying anything negative about it
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Now I wonder what a soviet style Sci-Fi movie would look like. They have a knack of cool designs, but I feel the necessity to toe a political line would be so strong, you'd not get much entertainment out of the writing, cause it is equally hamfisted with its political messages as... well... ST today.
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Eastern Bloc scifi is usually pretty cool stuff.
 
Oats12345 said:
I have heard of Earth: Finale Conflict. But have not seen it.
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3 seasons here if you want to get a taste of it.
tubitv.com

Earth: Final Conflict S01:E01 - Decision

Police Captain William Boone is caught between two worlds when he is recruited by the Taelons, also known as the "Companions," to become Commander of Security and Interspecies Relations and then secretly drafted to join the human resistance movement.
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Oats12345 said:
But I have never heard of Space: Above and Beyond. It must be good if no one on here is saying anything negative about it
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Chuck's reviews of the show are at least up if you want a taste of it. Good luck finding a stream for it.

Space: Above and Beyond: Pilot 1

Television Reviews
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Oats12345 said:
I have heard of Earth: Finale Conflict. But have not seen it.
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Yeah, E:FC is a near perfect example of how everything can go wrong on a show. It was always on the verge of falling apart and reconfiguring into something else. Roddenberry had the first season laid out, but after that, the writers started to wing it and cast members wanted off the show in droves.

Kevin Kilner was a real find. Unassuming guy with great screen presence. Naturally they killed him off in Season 2.

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JamesFargo said:
Yeah, E:FC is a near perfect example of how everything can go wrong on a show. It was always on the verge of falling apart and reconfiguring into something else. Roddenberry had the first season laid out, but after that, the writers started to wing it and cast members wanted off the show in droves.

Kevin Kilner was a real find. Unassuming guy with great screen presence. Naturally they killed him off in Season 2.

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Very much this. EFC is one show I'll recommend people watch the first season of and stop. (I stuck with the whole thing...)

The episode they brought Kevin Kilner back (final season or close to it) was as bad as Kes' return on Voyager.

Although the last season has actors chewing the scenery so hard you might enjoy it ironically.
 
Flexo said:
Very much this. EFC is one show I'll recommend people watch the first season of and stop. (I stuck with the whole thing...)

The episode they brought Kevin Kilner back (final season or close to it) was as bad as Kes' return on Voyager.

Although the last season has actors chewing the scenery so hard you might enjoy it ironically.
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How many seasons?
 
Oats12345 said:
1 or 2 actors lasting throughout the whole show. Sounds like a casting nightmare.
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To quote Wikipedia:
The show had an unusually high turnover rate among the regular cast, partially due to contractual disagreements between the cast and the producers.[citation needed] Almost all of the show's major characters were killed or otherwise removed within a season or two of being introduced. In fact, the only character to appear as a regular during all five seasons was FBI Agent Ronald Sandoval (Von Flores), one of the show's antagonists.​

S5 was a major overhaul from the previous 4. The character "Liam" replaced Boone in S2 and lasted until S4 but unfortunately they made him more and more dull as the show went on. (If you even found him that interesting, he... wasn't always the best actor.)
 
Flexo said:
To quote Wikipedia:
The show had an unusually high turnover rate among the regular cast, partially due to contractual disagreements between the cast and the producers.[citation needed] Almost all of the show's major characters were killed or otherwise removed within a season or two of being introduced. In fact, the only character to appear as a regular during all five seasons was FBI Agent Ronald Sandoval (Von Flores), one of the show's antagonists.​

S5 was a major overhaul from the previous 4. The character "Liam" replaced Boone in S2 and lasted until S4 but unfortunately they made him more and more dull as the show went on. (If you even found him that interesting, he... wasn't always the best actor.)
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How did the show last for five seasons?
 
Oats12345 said:
How did the show last for five seasons?
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You're actually kind of inspiring me to dig into it a bit more. The theme song maybe? (see a few posts above)

lol I don't know for certain, but I do recall that the 90s was like a heyday for 1 hr speculative fiction in syndication. Off the top of my head and NOT counting Star Trek, you could watch...
Stargate SG1
Babylon 5
GR's Earth: Final Conflict
GR's Andromeda
The Invisible Man
The Immortal
Seven Days
The Outer Limits
Seaquest DSV

And I'm probably still missing more. I'm not counting prime time shows either like Buffy or XFiles or Sliders or The Sentinel. (now you want fun? we can play a game where I try describing all those shows from memory and you all can grade me from the wikipedia summaries)

Wait, the Highlander series was on during this time too. Was it prime or syndication...

A lot of channels had blocks of time needed to fill up especially late at night so it seems like during this time anything and everything was getting bought to fill out the schedule. A lot of these shows were filmed & made by Canadian companies which means they were pretty "cheap" and probably gotten some government subsidies as Canada often has programs to encourage Canadian "art." It seems for many of these shows, they were popular enough to avoid cancelation, even if not quite popular enough to penetrate far into pop culture. (Stargate being one of the notable exceptions.)
 
Flexo said:
You're actually kind of inspiring me to dig into it a bit more. The theme song maybe? (see a few posts above)

lol I don't know for certain, but I do recall that the 90s was like a heyday for 1 hr speculative fiction in syndication. Off the top of my head and NOT counting Star Trek, you could watch...
Stargate SG1
Babylon 5
GR's Earth: Final Conflict
GR's Andromeda
The Invisible Man
The Immortal
Seven Days
The Outer Limits
Seaquest DSV

And I'm probably still missing more. I'm not counting prime time shows either like Buffy or XFiles or Sliders or The Sentinel. (now you want fun? we can play a game where I try describing all those shows from memory and you all can grade me from the wikipedia summaries)

Wait, the Highlander series was on during this time too. Was it prime or syndication...

A lot of channels had blocks of time needed to fill up especially late at night so it seems like during this time anything and everything was getting bought to fill out the schedule. A lot of these shows were filmed & made by Canadian companies which means they were pretty "cheap" and probably gotten some government subsidies as Canada often has programs to encourage Canadian "art." It seems for many of these shows, they were popular enough to avoid cancelation, even if not quite popular enough to penetrate far into pop culture. (Stargate being one of the notable exceptions.)
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Well stargate and Seven days I know were made by both Canadians and Americans.

90s were a time of sci fy shows
 
Flexo said:
Wait, the Highlander series was on during this time too. Was it prime or syndication...
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There was a spinoff. By all accounts it is terrible. But the featurette is extremely candid and you should seek it out.
 
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Flexo said:
You're actually kind of inspiring me to dig into it a bit more. The theme song maybe? (see a few posts above)

lol I don't know for certain, but I do recall that the 90s was like a heyday for 1 hr speculative fiction in syndication. Off the top of my head and NOT counting Star Trek, you could watch...
Stargate SG1
Babylon 5
GR's Earth: Final Conflict
GR's Andromeda
The Invisible Man
The Immortal
Seven Days
The Outer Limits
Seaquest DSV

And I'm probably still missing more. I'm not counting prime time shows either like Buffy or XFiles or Sliders or The Sentinel. (now you want fun? we can play a game where I try describing all those shows from memory and you all can grade me from the wikipedia summaries)

Wait, the Highlander series was on during this time too. Was it prime or syndication...

A lot of channels had blocks of time needed to fill up especially late at night so it seems like during this time anything and everything was getting bought to fill out the schedule. A lot of these shows were filmed & made by Canadian companies which means they were pretty "cheap" and probably gotten some government subsidies as Canada often has programs to encourage Canadian "art." It seems for many of these shows, they were popular enough to avoid cancelation, even if not quite popular enough to penetrate far into pop culture. (Stargate being one of the notable exceptions.)
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I actually like The Outer Limits remake more than any Twilight Zone. I love hearing Kahless as the Control voice. I even kept confusing him with Pious Augustus in Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.

 
Flexo said:
especially late at night so it seems like during this time anything and everything was getting bought to fill out the schedule. A lot of these shows were filmed & made by Canadian companies which means they were pretty "cheap" and probably gotten some government subsidies as Canada often has programs to encourage Canadian "art." It seems for many of these shows, they were popular enough to avoid cancelation, even if not quite popular enough to penetrate far into pop culture. (Stargate being one of the notable exceptions.)
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Stargate was interesting because they had a hybrid arrangement with Showtime when it first aired where it was on premium cable first and then hit syndication a few months later. The studio behind Stargate was very savvy at maximizing viewers and profits.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Now I wonder what a soviet style Sci-Fi movie would look like. They have a knack of cool designs, but I feel the necessity to toe a political line would be so strong, you'd not get much entertainment out of the writing, cause it is equally hamfisted with its political messages as... well... ST today.
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I don't remember watching any soviet sci-fi movies, but books are top-notch. Make sure to read "Hard to be a God". There is a film adaptation from 2013, but I haven't watched it.

JamesFargo said:
Kevin Kilner was a real find. Unassuming guy with great screen presence. Naturally they killed him off in Season 2.
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They did what? He was THE main character. I managed to watch some episodes back in the days and Boone was always the main character, so I never got past season 1 I guess. I think I will watch the rest someday, if only out of morbid curiosity.

Oats12345 said:
How did the show last for five seasons?
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Star Trek: Discovery has four so far
:thinking:
 
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