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I heard it was (semi) official that it was the Borg.
In any case it's really generous of the living machines to do all that for a space probe.
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I heard it was (semi) official that it was the Borg.
In any case it's really generous of the living machines to do all that for a space probe.
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A lot of the women they casted in guest roles were hot as fuck simply because Gene wanted to see them in skintight leotards, and everyone in the future should be attractive. Also, sex sells, even if it's violent Klingon sex.
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Shatner's books had it as a Borg off-shoot IIRC.
Not arguing with you there. Sometimes they could be a little... oversold.
Like in the episode with the medusa alien, they keep going on and on about how beautiful Diana Muldaur is. I'm not saying she's a bad looking lady, but...
When you previously had on the show:
It is just funny once in awhile how the casual babe of the week is sometimes hotter than a woman who even the script points out is supposed to be amazing. (probably the only time they successfully pulled it off is when Famke Janssen is supposed to play a super desirable woman.)
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He also wanted to marry her (or do the Klingon equivalent). He's, above everything, a gentleman.
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Shitty dad, though.
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Nah. It goes like this, Trek Fags:
Ensign Ro.
And then I was wrong earlier. There is a girl hotter than Ensign Ro. Only one. And that is Grilka. May she smash me for all eternity.
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True. But we don't know how things could have been had K'ehleyr been alive.
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So, in the episode where they're transporting diplomats to a planet for peace talks or some shit, and they get all high and mighty at the Anticans about how they 'don't enslave animals anymore' because of how enlightened humanity is and only eat replicated meat, why and how did Picard have an entire case of real Caviar in storage for the Klingon to be unimpressed with?
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That's actually implied by 40K's old lore already, that Earth had become some kind of high tech SF utopia in line with either Star Trek or classic 60s SF, and 40K is just the result of that setting falling to decay. It was retconned all to hell eventually, and they didn't literally mean it was Star Trek, but I can see the resemblance.
There's almost nothing in the show of movies to imply that theory. Shatner really liked it though. However, Jerry Goldsmith, oddly enough, also firmly believed in it, and added a short musical cue to the first battle with the Borg that's supposed to sound like the V'Ger blaster beam from TMP. So I suppose if you want to lean on Goldsmith then the idea that V'Ger became the Borg is canon.
I personally think the theory makes zero sense. The Borg are far less technologically advanced than V'Ger is, they operate in a totally different fashion, and they're uneccesarily brutal and crude in their methods. Not really what I would expect some kind of higher being to become. Also it was implied that V'Ger had learned everything to do with reality and wanted to go beyond that somehow. It more or less left the damn universe in the movie's ending. Why would it stick around just to put implants in people? why would it even bother when it has the technology to perfectly replicate a humanoid from scratch?
I would imagine V'Ger being rather less than impressed with the Borg if it ever ran across them. You'd think a technological race descended from something that absurdly powerful would likewise be unbeatable.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was based on that hippie logic that meat is murder but its okay to eat fish because I guess our monkey brains find them less sympathetic than farm animals. Proto-veganism was a thing in the late 80s around the time the show was being filmed so it might have been a direct influence.
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It seems to be uncommon, but people still consume meat. O'Brian said his mother used to cook real meat, to Keiko surprise. Memory Alpha says Chakotay's people still hunt deer.
I guess that's more evidence of their society not being communist: they really won't shame you or arrest you for doing your own thing as long as you wont' hurt anyone or the environment.
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If I remember correctly one of the games (Star Trek: Legacy) also used the V'ger/Borg connection. Apparently the Borg were created by V'jer to assist it in assimilating the various ships, planets, and other shit it was collecting, with the queens being created from races like Vulcans as something of a guiding influence needed to direct millions of Borg in their tasks.
Some Vulcan bitch decides that the Borg are the epitome of the teachings of Surak and tried to take control of them to help them assimilate everything.
It wasn't a great game tho, tbh.
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Liked the game, hated the plot. The Ultimate Universe Mod was pretty good too, though they never fixed that bug where all of your subsystems will get nuked at the same time if your hull falls below a certain level.
The score for that game was also surprisingly good.
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Seems like the writers realized the whole world hated him. Ethan Phillips underplays his scenes in the final years.
He’s still the softest touch in the Quadrant, but this time he backs up his opinions with hard evidence: Ambassador Neelix detects a scent of untruth about the Vaadwaur, and it is nice to see him investigating behind the scenes (as opposed to his sudden inclusion on the bridge) because it adds a level of believability to the ship's everyday running. A nice reminder that he is more than just the ship's cook.
Neelix still has some surprises up his sleeve in "The Void", in a scene which managed to quietly astonish SFDebris.
In the end Neelix is an Ambassador to the Delta Quadrant. Phillips should be happy to have exited the show on a high, rather than being shuffled into the disappointing "Endgame."
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it's impressive how "based on unused RMQ designs" has become synonymous with crap between Trek, Wars, and I forget what but I think there's been something else with that
also Neelix is fun to watch him troll Mister Vulcan
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Eh... Small difference there, middle aged Scotty may have been so fat that he needed a special sweater, but that's hardly the "healthy at any size" bullshit that they're *still* pushing with Tilly... (Didn't she win a marathon or something despite being the fat fuck she still clearly is?)
For reference, Scotty on the left was in his mid to late 40's, and maybe a bit stocky, but still not a fat fuck like Tilly on the right, who is *still to this day* in her early to mid 30's
For comparison, this is scotty like his 70's
Ok he got fatter when he got older, and they tried to hide that the best that they could with his clothing. And yeah that's pretty much the same body type Doohan had since Star Trek: The (Slow) Motion Picture, when he was almost 60. And nobody ever pretended that he was healthy at that size, he was just old.
But come on, this is a stupid comparison.
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Doohan became fatter because he wasn't really a starfleet officer. Most fans didn't really mind and kinda accepted it was part of the characters. Besides, he was an engineer, not a soldier (and even old soldiers look big).
Also, that first pic doesn't look that bad. He looks big rather than fat.
Also, that first pic doesn't look that bad. He looks big rather than fat.
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In TOS he was not fat, he was fat like 15 years later.
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And the way how Scotty looked was to my knowledge never made any kind of statement about something as toxic and idiotic as "health at all sizes".
STD cast a slightly chubby chick in a certain role and her inability to not stuff candy-apples dipped in lard down her bovine maw and guzzle it down with a healthy galon of pure corn syrup lead to her ballooning to gargantuan sizes. Unfortunately, STD has drank the kool-aid (or at least pretends to) and thus they can't tell her to stop gorging herself on this shit and instead have to dump messages about how there's health at all sizes, as they watch one of their main characters turning slowly into some lovecraftian kronenberg body horror blob of grease.
Just imagine how this chick must be wheezing for minutes whenever they have her jog a few meters for an action shot. Just imagine the smell.
The people subjugated to this horror thankfully are the ones pushing this bullshit... well them and the innocent stagehands.
STD cast a slightly chubby chick in a certain role and her inability to not stuff candy-apples dipped in lard down her bovine maw and guzzle it down with a healthy galon of pure corn syrup lead to her ballooning to gargantuan sizes. Unfortunately, STD has drank the kool-aid (or at least pretends to) and thus they can't tell her to stop gorging herself on this shit and instead have to dump messages about how there's health at all sizes, as they watch one of their main characters turning slowly into some lovecraftian kronenberg body horror blob of grease.
Just imagine how this chick must be wheezing for minutes whenever they have her jog a few meters for an action shot. Just imagine the smell.
The people subjugated to this horror thankfully are the ones pushing this bullshit... well them and the innocent stagehands.
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Why are the scenes of Tuvok and Neelix griping at each other nowhere near as funny as those between Spock & Bones or Odo & Quark? Acting ability? Script quality? Their obvious lack of chemistry?watch him troll Mister Vulcan
And although Neelix is right that the crew take themselves "too seriously", his sense of humor is shockingly bad. On this same subject, who would want Neelix visiting their quarters every single day with his annoying ebullience?
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star trek online alludes to it in some of the borg designs as well.
I personally believe the Borg gave Vger purpose and direction, but it ended up assimilating something that put it on a FAR higher level then everything else.
The Shatner book "The Return" actually had a good explanation for it and Borgs decay. As the Borg prior to first contact essentially operated in different hive fleets like 40k's Tyranid's, with different specializations in assimilation that could be transferred and linked at will to the Borg homeworld. So Vger could be considered its own hive,
Kirk and Picard ended up blowing the planet to hell in a hand-basket, which cut off all the borg hives and vastly reduced their wellspring of knowledge and adaptability. Further explaining a desire for the Borg to travel back in time and assimilate earth.